Justin Shum

They were opposed to the markets we were entering, the go-to-market strategy.

And there was just a lot of debates, a lot of bats, which led to backstabbing eventually.

So it became somewhat of a toxic environment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So for example, you know, I was the CEO at the time and I really wanted to continue to go after enterprise within real estate, continue to go up market and just double down on that segment.

But they wanted to expand into other verticals.

And so eventually, you know, it came down to, you know, voting and I was outvoted and I was actually removed from the company, but I was willing to leave.

There was a, I believe six people at the time.

Yeah.

So you can imagine how complicated that was.

Yeah, third company is Node, which I'm currently working on.

This one's venture-backed.

So I've gone through various structures and I can say that this one is a lot easier when you're venture-backed.

You have just access to stronger advisors, more resources, and you really can, I wouldn't say take your time, but you can really methodically plan out your next steps.

You're not trying to put out a bunch of fires, trying to make payroll or anything like that.

You have more time and focus, I would say.

Yeah.

So we just closed it actually last month.