Justin Verrier

And at that point, like maybe that's too harsh.

Because maybe two years isn't enough.

Maybe we could do research into like what is an appropriate amount in order to, in air quotes, rebuild.

I do think that one of the problems and probably the easiest one to address is long-term tanking as opposed to teams just doing it in spades.

Because every team is going to go through ups and downs.

Of course.

Rob, what do you think about this?

Do you think that's like too soft, too hard?

The Lakers, they just weren't honest about what they were doing when they got Ingram and Russell.

That was a pretty blatant tank job.

Were they honest or were they just bad?

It was probably a little bit of both.

Yeah, I just don't think we need to deal with intent.

I think it's more about the product at hand.

And I tend to find that we end up in the same place with these sorts of conversations, which is like, well, it's up to the league ultimately, and they're not going to do it because of money, because they're the ones kind of ushering this in.

The owners are the ones in control.

Adam Silver ultimately works for them when it comes down to it.

But I kind of think that's like getting them off the hook because I keep circling

We keep circling the same conversations, but ultimately everyone, I think, in the league, who follows the league, who's a casual observer of the league, agrees that there are too many fucking games.

And then we're like, oh, they'll never do it.