Justin Webb

How much can the Democrats then say, for instance, they want to accept what Scott Galloway says and they want to attract men back into the fold to the extent that they've been lost?

How much is the party in the future going to be in the business of doing that?

And how much in the party in the

is in the business of just appealing to the core groups of people, which is particularly young and unmarried, well-educated women.

So the DNC have had this autopsy.

They published it.

I mean, it's an absolute mess.

The executive summary doesn't have anything in it, et cetera.

But I mean, one of the core bits of it seems to be we need to appeal to everyone everywhere.

So in the midterms, but more importantly, for the presidential election, do the parties manage to find a way of getting into what we used to call the center ground, if it still exists at all?

Or actually, because of the way that people communicate, never mind, I agree with you, those people are there.

But if you can't do your political communication in a way that reaches them, then the really important thing is to get out the people you can depend on to vote for you.

And of course, in Donald Trump's case, that meant people, many of whom had never voted before.

And I do think that the challenge for the idea that everything kind of reverts to the mean

in 2028 is that actually the whole setup has changed so profoundly and been changed so profoundly that maybe that's not so easy.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, maybe, you know, it's inflation that's going to kill Donald Trump in the midterms.

Yeah, exactly.

And it wasn't only his inflation, really, that killed Joe Biden, although his...

ancientness, if that's a word, was also probably part of that.