Justin Wolfers

And so if I felt that me and my people are not getting what we feel we deserve, there's that primal roar and I want to take it back from someone else.

That's the competition view.

In reality, and I mean when you bring it back to its barest essentials, economic life is about cooperation, not competition.

I came on your podcast today because I wanted to enrich your conversation.

You make your podcast because you want your listeners to think.

They listen to the ads because that's a price that they're willing to pay to get to be a part of that, right?

And what you're doing is you're enriching their lives.

And by listening to the advertising, they're getting you paid.

They're enriching your lives.

Economics is fundamentally about how can I make you better off in a way where you swap and you find a way to make me better off.

And so what that means is if I'm feeling like I'm not getting what I deserve, I need to figure out ways to

to find and give voice new opportunities for cooperation.

It's not that I want to tariff China to hell.

I want to trade with China.

I want to use their strengths and make them mine.

I want us to work together to be more productive.

And if we're talking in particular about China, are there ways that we can build better working class jobs?

And there are, right?

So if they're going to screw in the tiny screws on the phone, we're going to write the software.

And that's a job I bet you want your kids to do.