Kai Ryssdal

That's not just the environment.

Environment is an important part of that.

But it's, are we doing anything that comes back to bite us, blows up in our face, and ruins everything for all of us in the future?

But if you're managing for three months, you don't really care.

Chief sustainability officers are often greenwashing.

But if they have the ear of the CEO, they can do good things.

So I guess me and the bosses at Marketplace...

are appointing me kind of the secretary of the future.

So how am I going to – I'm going to read a story introduction, and it's going to say, Marketplace is correspondent for the future.

What are we going to call you?

I don't know.

We're going to keep working on it.

It's not secretary of the future.

It's probably future effects correspondent or something like that.

Fair enough.

This is a great, actually, listener question.

To the point of all of these things that you're talking about, the reward system is messed up, so what level of economic pain is necessary?

Is there a level of economic pain necessary to make this stuff happen in real life?

Yeah.

Do we have to have a full collapse of the system?