Chapter 1: What special event is featured in this episode?
Hey, everybody. It's Kai. We're dropping something special in the feed today. It's a live show that we did here in Los Angeles about a week, maybe 10 days ago. First of all, Kyla Scanlon, you know her from the program, also maybe from her newsletters and her social feeds. We had her on stage for a while talking to me about everything going on in this economy. And then David Brancaccio.
about what's next for him at Marketplace as he moves off the Marketplace Morning Report. As always, you can check things out on our website or sign up for the latest updates from our newsletters, marketplace.org slash newsletters. Hope you enjoy the show. Stop, stop, stop. They wanted to play the marketplace gong as I came out and then the music.
And I was like, so you remember those dreams you had when you were a kid and you wound up in school in your underwear? So this is a true story. I have these things called dead air dreams where I hear that music and in the dream I'm not where I'm supposed to be.
Chapter 2: How does Kyla Scanlon explain the current economic landscape?
It's the worst. And I said, you are absolutely not playing that before I go out in front of 800 people. So there's that. Thank you so much for coming. I am so grateful that you have decided to spend a little bit of time with us today. We have not done a big live show like this in a very long time.
And I am probably more pleased than anybody because I spend a whole lot of time locked in a soundproof room talking to a microphone. So the idea that I get to get out and see actual people truly makes it all worthwhile. The show today is going to come in three parts.
We're going to talk about the economy, obviously, and we're going to do it with a woman who has become one of my go-tos as I try to figure out what is happening. Your questions for her are also welcome. You guys have to let me know if my mic dies, and I'll just grab another one. Second, we're going to talk about marketplace and how we do what we do.
And we're going to do that with the guy who I truly believe is more responsible for the way the program sounds and how we do what we do than anybody else. Your questions for him as well are welcome. And then finally at the end, for just a couple of minutes, we're going to talk about everything else that's happening, what I make of it, and maybe what it means. So on to part one of our program.
A couple of years ago, I was at work scrolling through my Instagram. Yes, I was at work scrolling Instagram. Don't tell my bosses. But the excuse is it was Fed Day. The Federal Reserve had that day raised its benchmark interest rate, the federal funds rate, by 25 basis points, a quarter of one percentage point.
And that was a big deal because if you remember back then, 2023-ish, the middle of that year, Inflation was going up, people a little agitated, COVID was still not completely in the rearview mirror, and it was a very big deal because the Fed also said that day, we don't think there's going to be a recession. And that was good news. So there I am, scrolling my Instagram, and this post pops up.
The Federal Reserve is no longer forecasting our recession, and we just wanted to thank some of the economic stars that got us to where we are today. First off, Taylor Swift. You bought tickets, you booked hotels, and you rode those lift scooters in the middle of the street quite dangerously. Most importantly, you boosted TDP, Taylor Domestic Product. Second, Barbenheimer.
And of course, big fiscal, government spending really bolstered this economy. So what did the Federal Reserve do today? We raised rates by 25 basis points. Will we do it again? Maybe. Maybe it depends. It depends on the data because we are data dependent. Data dependent. Data dependent. Data dependent. Data dependent. Data dependent is slowing, but it's not at 2. 2 is elusive. It haunts me.
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Chapter 3: What role does AI play in today's economy?
Growth is moderate, but not modest. And we really need this labor market to chill out. Real wages are moving upwards, so that's good. But we don't want that moving too fast.
The point is... The resilience of the economy recently, they are no longer forecasting recession. So... Little known fact, Jay Powell, the chairman of the Fed, can talk Taylor Swift with you. I happen to know that from personal experience.
So anyway, so there I am at work, scrolling through my answer, and that thing pops up, and I send it to the rest of the team, and I said, we have got to get Kyla Scanlon on the program because we are doing the same thing. We are trying to make people understand the economic forces that shape their lives.
In the marketplace branding language, we are trying to raise the economic intelligence of this country. She's doing it with a different style, a better style, a hipper style, granted, right? But we're doing the same thing. So we had her on then. We've had her on a couple of times since. She has now written a book. She's working on her second one. She's got a newsletter you should subscribe to.
The first book is called... She's going to be out here in a minute. I can ask her. No, it's called, in this economy, how money and markets really work. She's got a million-something followers on all of her socials. And believe me when I tell you, we are very, very lucky indeed that she was free today. Kyla Scanlon. So, did we tell you we were going to play that one?
No, I didn't know that a video was going to be played.
Your style has changed, I think it's fair to say, in the last couple of years.
Yeah, no, that was from, I think, two years ago.
Yeah, 2023.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of Federal Reserve independence?
Yeah, different era.
Well, we're going to talk about why. It's a different era for you, different era for this economy. Just so everybody knows, because not everybody is necessarily familiar, how did you get into the economic education, this is my life kind of thing?
Yeah, so it's really an honor to be here with you today. I am also a big fan of Marketplace and a huge fan of Kai, so it's such an honor to be on this stage and to talk about economics on a Sunday afternoon.
Doesn't get any better than this, ladies and gentlemen, does it?
Yeah, buddy. Very committed, very committed. Yeah, so I'm Kyla. I grew up in Kentucky and was raised there, went to college there. And I sold cars when I was 19 years old. And that was one of the most formative economic experiences that I had because you had people come in because buying a car is really confusing.
They wouldn't know what an interest rate was or how to sort of manage the monthly payment. And that's when I realized that economics education was really important. And so I graduated college in 2019, right before the pandemic. And during the pandemic, I realized I really wanted to focus on economics education and had the chance to do so through making Instagram and TikTok short form videos.
They work, I'm telling you. It's been really fun. It's been amazing to go from making those videos that you saw to where I am now.
Those in the audience who are only passingly familiar with you will probably have heard the phrase vibe session. That was not your big breakthrough, but that was the thing that really sort of, oh my God, this woman, Kyla Scanley, came up with this phrase. Remind us what vibe session was and whether or not you think it still applies.
So a vibe session was coined in July of 2022, and it was to describe the gap between data and sentiment. So during that time, you know, we were coming down from the pandemic. So inflation was coming down. The labor market was growing. GDP was going up. But consumer sentiment was rising.
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Chapter 5: How does the war in Iran impact economic discussions?
So the economy is in a much different place than it was in 2022. There's a lot has changed. So we have more headaches with inflation. We have a lot of questions around the labor market. Sentiment is still really low, but that disconnect doesn't quite exist in the same way that it used to. So I personally don't think we're in one. People disagree with me, which is fine, but yeah.
Yeah, fair enough. I should have started with this. Why does what we do matter? Why is it important? Go ahead and take your sip water. Sorry. I did the Marco Rubio thing on you. I'm really sorry. Why does it matter? Why is it important? I've got my answer. I'm sure you do too.
Oh, man. Well, I think the reason that the economy matters is because it's everything. So if you buy a cup of coffee... No, I'm serious. If you buy a cup of coffee, if you rent a place, if you're trying to buy a house, if you're trying to afford childcare, if you're trying to afford elder care, the economy is everything. And it's one thing that we just don't do a good job of educating people on.
And there's been a lot of pretty valiant efforts in order to try to do so. But it's something that I think a lot of people worry about. Like money is a topic that people do not like talking about. But yet it's this thing that touches our lives in so many important ways. And so I think educating people on how it works, their role in it, it really helps move things along.
Our audiences are different.
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Chapter 6: What challenges does David Brancaccio face in rebuilding after the fire?
Yours are young. Ours is not. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Please keep listening. Come on. Put food on the table. That's so bold. But here's what I want to know. When you interact with your followers, your subscribers, right, most of whom, and we talked about this the very first time you were on Marketplace, skew younger and male, what do you hear from them?
What do they tell you about how they're feeling about this economy?
Well, so the audience primarily is like 20 to 35 years old. I'm 28. And so the group that I speak to is a group that was pretty disrupted, as I'm sure everyone in the audience was, pretty disrupted by the pandemic. The labor market hasn't been quite working in their favor. Inflation has been alongside their adult life pretty much the entire time.
And it's just, there's a lot of nihilism, I would say. So people not believing in the economy, a lot of tendencies to try and get rich quick, which I think is pretty understandable. So gambling, sports betting, that kind of stuff.
Day trading, right?
Day trading. All that stuff, yeah. Yeah, so that all shows up. It's people who, they feel pretty displaced by the economy, yeah.
And so as you speak to them on your socials, what's in the back of your mind? How are you thinking about it?
Well, I mean, I think, and you all do such a good job at this, I think that the most important thing to do when you're talking about the economy is not to scare people.
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Chapter 7: What insights does David share about future economic effects?
It's already scary enough, and I find your show is very effective at that, very calming, and so I try to emulate you. I'm good with that.
I should tell you, by the way, we had never seen each other until an hour and a half ago.
Isn't that crazy?
That's a true story.
Is it scary out there now? Do you think so? In the world? Well, in the economy. World will be later. Economy will be right now. Is it scary, do you think?
I think that in the Federal Reserve, they talk about this in their meetings. I think the trend is concerning. So inflation hasn't been going the way that anybody really wants it to. It's pretty sticky. And it's sticky in tough parts of the economy. So housing inflation, services inflation, So I think that's pretty tough. And then I think also what is growing the economy.
So it's driving us forward. There's a lot of questions about what exactly that is. Is it AI? Is it something else? What role does AI have with the labor market? So I think there's just a lot of questions and a lot of uncertainty right now.
AI, bubble or no bubble?
Well, I mean, it's interesting because the companies are starting to take out a lot of debt. And so once you start taking out debt, that's when I think a lot of people start to get worried because debt is very, very serious. If you're unable to pay back debt, then all the dominoes start tipping.
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Chapter 8: How can individuals prepare for economic uncertainties?
Actually, since you mentioned it, debt. You had a piece in the New York Times a couple of three weeks ago ish about the national debt. Why are you worried about it?
Yeah, these are all the hard ones. I mean, the national debt, this has been a problem forever. And the United States is very lucky because we're able to run these, have a huge debt load. And other countries will still choose to invest with us, buy treasuries. But that piece that I wrote in the New York Times opinion section was about how the U.S. debt can be weaponized against it. So the U.S.
is very reliant on other countries to continue to buy up U.S. treasuries, continuing to invest with the U.S., and some of the decisions that the U.S. has made with entering a war or military event or whatever they're calling it, other countries are noticing that and could choose not to buy the treasuries, and then it creates this big vacuum in terms of how the U.S. actually finances itself.
I'm going to pull this back out of the weeds in one second, but first I have to ask this. What about the dollar and its status as a reserve currency and all of that stuff?
Yeah, I mean, the dollar is, a lot of people have been worried about it for a while, but I think what we're seeing is people trying to turn to alternatives. So China has created their own alternatives to the dollar. Their central bank is heavily investing and buying up a lot of gold to create some proxy to the dollar there.
I think, again, the US is very lucky and it's very privileged and the dollar is so intertwined with all the financial systems that it'd be very hard to untangle it So I think that itself protects the dollar. But yeah, it's, you know, people are worried about that.
Okay. So on Monday, I started the program. We had noticed that the markets are just being whipsawed. You know, Trump says one thing and it goes this way. Trump says the other thing goes this way and then he bombs more and it goes sideways. And I posited on the radio that perhaps the markets are an idiot. That they don't, right? I mean, you know.
They're not the economy, but they are also an idiot. And I guess I wonder what is your sense of why they are so detached from the pandemonium?
That's my question. Yeah, your theory is that they're idiots.
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