Kaleb Nation

Right. Yeah, well, that's what the late night was doing. That's for sure. But I really think three people, maybe you want to add to the list, were responsible for giving us permission to move out. It was Chappelle- Initially, really, Chappelle gave us a lot of permission. It was Bill Maher and it was Joe Rogan.

Right. Yeah, well, that's what the late night was doing. That's for sure. But I really think three people, maybe you want to add to the list, were responsible for giving us permission to move out. It was Chappelle- Initially, really, Chappelle gave us a lot of permission. It was Bill Maher and it was Joe Rogan.

Those are the three people that literally behaved as leaders that led us slowly out of the darkness and are still doing and still playing that function, I would say.

Those are the three people that literally behaved as leaders that led us slowly out of the darkness and are still doing and still playing that function, I would say.

Well, in a thoughtful way. And I feel like that's what you guys try to do. You try to really... How do topics get prepared in the Babylon? Is there a writer's room? I just imagine a room where stuff's being thrown around. Are you sitting at your computer all night? How does it work? Yeah.

Well, in a thoughtful way. And I feel like that's what you guys try to do. You try to really... How do topics get prepared in the Babylon? Is there a writer's room? I just imagine a room where stuff's being thrown around. Are you sitting at your computer all night? How does it work? Yeah.

That is getting to be... The hateful thing is getting to be an old-fashioned way of discourse. I mean, there's so much. Our culture has been so ossified for about 15 years now that some of these ideas and strategies you can mock for being old-fashioned, like old-timey. That's an old-timey idea. Stop it. That was two generations ago now.

That is getting to be... The hateful thing is getting to be an old-fashioned way of discourse. I mean, there's so much. Our culture has been so ossified for about 15 years now that some of these ideas and strategies you can mock for being old-fashioned, like old-timey. That's an old-timey idea. Stop it. That was two generations ago now.

You guys do this beautiful job of, you're scrolling along, you see the headline, you go, is that, they say that? Is that real? Is that a real headline? You guys do a brilliant job with that. That's what I love about it. And really, I would say six times out of 10, I'm not sure. Sometimes I think you just pull it right out of the headlines because that's how insane things are.

You guys do this beautiful job of, you're scrolling along, you see the headline, you go, is that, they say that? Is that real? Is that a real headline? You guys do a brilliant job with that. That's what I love about it. And really, I would say six times out of 10, I'm not sure. Sometimes I think you just pull it right out of the headlines because that's how insane things are.

But I want to, go ahead. Sure.

But I want to, go ahead. Sure.

Look at that. Brilliant. Wait, go back to the omnibus bill thing. Go back to that. Because I feel like you're going to have a lot of traction on the omnibus bill going forward. I was thinking about it as we were heading into this interview. I thought, oh, that bill. There's so much there for you guys.

Look at that. Brilliant. Wait, go back to the omnibus bill thing. Go back to that. Because I feel like you're going to have a lot of traction on the omnibus bill going forward. I was thinking about it as we were heading into this interview. I thought, oh, that bill. There's so much there for you guys.

Hysterical. Hysterical.

Hysterical. Hysterical.

Oh, yeah. Six-year-old saying, why don't we just get, oops, there it goes. Why don't we get everything away for free? Surges to top of Democratic polls. Yeah, again, that one could have been a possibility. But I do also believe, you said this is a post-truth world. I do believe that truth, of course, common sense is reasserting itself. I do believe it does feel like it's coming on back.

Oh, yeah. Six-year-old saying, why don't we just get, oops, there it goes. Why don't we get everything away for free? Surges to top of Democratic polls. Yeah, again, that one could have been a possibility. But I do also believe, you said this is a post-truth world. I do believe that truth, of course, common sense is reasserting itself. I do believe it does feel like it's coming on back.

And part of that, by the way, is the resilience issue you were sort of tilting at that we know now as a mental health axiom that exposure is what humans need to develop resilience and mental health. So we must expose them to things that make them anxious and they don't like. Not the opposite of that, which is destroying people.

And part of that, by the way, is the resilience issue you were sort of tilting at that we know now as a mental health axiom that exposure is what humans need to develop resilience and mental health. So we must expose them to things that make them anxious and they don't like. Not the opposite of that, which is destroying people.