Kamala Harris

And to the extent that the vice president is being attacked, resources were available but not used to defend the vice president in the way that they could have that would have been in order to the benefit of everyone involved.

I think that that was part of it.

I do.

I think that they decided that, you know, there are far too many people in this world and in professional life who approach things with a zero-sum game.

If I have more, you have less.

And it is incredibly short-sighted.

And I think it's actually quite provincial thinking when you're talking about the stakes that were at play in our administration and, of course, in the election.

It's very frustrating.

I can't even tell you.

Frustrating and painful.

Well, and also not just for me, but for the people who knew my career and knew what was not being said and what was being said.

the accomplishments, the, um, the, the, the credibility of, um, of my leadership.

Yeah.

And that was, um,

Again, it was very short-sighted.

Yes.

It's a good relationship.

I just talked to him two days ago.

He called me for my birthday.

Yes, it's very complicated.