Kami Verney
Appearances
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
It was just so, when you plug something in and it just starts to work, right? It was like immediate. We kissed, we talked, we went on dates and it was like somebody was serving me everything I could have dreamed of on a silver platter. He was exciting and he wanted everything that I wanted on the timeline I could have dreamed of. like warped speed, let's get you married, let's get you pregnant.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
He wanted everything I wanted in the same exact timeline. And it was like a miracle. It was a miracle. I mean, I just couldn't even believe this was happening and how lucky was I. And then totally distracted from work and like so checked out. Like now I was dreaming of like – The wedding and the babies and like, this is really happening for me.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
So we, so here's the timeline. January, you know, December, you know, we kissed midnight. We were engaged in May, Memorial Day weekend in May. So not, and then we were married one, exactly one year after that.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
It was such a beautiful time. I have this beautiful memory of me nursing her in the middle of the night in a rocking chair and like peeking outside at the moon and like her finger holding my finger and
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
feeling like I don't even know what to do with all this joy like just this so much joy and I have the joy of Josh and I like sneaking in her room and watching her sleep and like you don't want to disturb her so it's like mission impossible like you don't want to wake the baby but just like
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Sometimes baby sleeps with their little butts in the air and we would hold each other's hand and be like, oh my God, that's Alexa. Just this joy of this baby and just so much. And then I was nursing her one day and it felt so tender. I was like, I wonder if I'm pregnant. And sure enough, I was pregnant with Brooke.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
So here he used to send me these emails, you know, back when that's how you dated.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I was very cultured. My dad and mom are really bright and very sophisticated. They're also really serious. They are not one for tomfoolery, right? So like they're serious people and they love art. Deeply, deeply love art. And so I grew up with lots of art, lots of discussions about art, and that religion is bullshit, but art is what is inspiring and igniting.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Josh, on the other hand, he had never been to an art museum before, so he says. I'm like, you've never been on a school field trip to the art museum? And he's like, not that I remember. Josh was constantly burping. I wasn't even allowed to use the word fart. It would be passing gas.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I think that there was some worry about our different backgrounds, and especially that he didn't go to college, which was a value for my parents.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
We went on a trip to Napa. Yeah, I mean, this is our... This is us getting married. Like he would leave me cute notes, like on a banana. Let's never split, I'm bananas for you.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
It was a very, very stable, successful business. He had a huge office and staff that loved him. And he was just, he worked really hard. Really, really hard. I would visit him at work and just be like, my husband's a big shot.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
It was a very, very old-fashioned marriage. And I was fine with that. Like, I'm not... Josh would say, okay, you're getting a new car. I wouldn't even know, I wouldn't even care what color the car was, what make the car is. He made those decisions and I kept a happy home.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Then the recession happened. It was definitely stressful. I mean, it was definitely stressful. And at that point, Josh was crying in the shower because he had to fire people.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I was worried about money. But my parents' advice to me was like, he is your husband. He is getting beaten up at work. your job is to make him feel like a king and blow up his balloon so he can rise to the occasion and be the best, know that like everyone else can tear him down, but his wife believes in him. So I really took that seriously. And it wasn't, I wasn't lying.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Like I really believed in him and I really believed that he was brilliant and this was gonna be a setback and this was part of our story.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
The best thing that ever happened in my life is when you became my husband.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
There was a woman that started to work with him. She was very sexy and I had a bad feeling about it. I didn't like it. I knew something was amiss. He kept on saying that it was crazy, it was crazy, it was crazy. And it was like New Year's Day and we had friends over and he asked me to get his phone.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
He was supposed to leave the next day on a business trip with her and I felt so uncomfortable about it. And I picked up his phone. There was a text from her saying, I want to fuck you so hard right now. And I was just, I couldn't believe it. I just couldn't believe it. Like my whole world just upended in that moment, that one sentence. And I came out and I was just broken.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
You've brought me more joy than I ever realized was possible. I've never felt more happy or satisfied than when you're near me. You're the best husband, father, partner, and friend, and I love you more each day.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I was completely broken. Like, are you kidding me? Like, we have sex. I love you. I'd do anything for you. I'm not making you feel bad. You're doing everything for you. Why? Why? And he just killed me.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I did go to therapy at that point. And I was angry and I was hurt and I didn't know what to do. And my kids were little, like they were little. I didn't want to divorce him. Like I didn't want to be like separate and like I dropped them off at your house. Like I didn't want it. And we'd agreed that we were going to work on our marriage.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
And my therapist at the time, she said, like, at some point, Cami, like, you can't punish him. Like, you're going to have to decide if you're going to stay with him, you're not going to live in the past anymore. And you're going to have to, at some point, at some point, I don't care where it is, you're going to have to move forward or divorce him.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Either choice is totally fine, but just make the choice. And I made the choice to, like, I didn't trust him, but I was working towards it. And so he would say to me all the time, like, do you trust me 70 percent? Do you trust me 80 percent? Like, this went on for a really long time. And then, like, years later, I wrote him a Valentine's Day card and said, I trust you 100 percent.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
It was so exciting. Like we ended up. selling this company to a company that I think it was sold for like $10 million or something like that, which is amazing, right? Like totally amazing. There's nothing to sneeze about, right? Not only did he sell it for that, he got shares to a company that was potentially valued at a billion dollars. It was so exciting. Like it just, I was so proud of him.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Like he did it. He did it. You know, he really was able to create this. It was incredible.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I have a dream log in my phone because I would write down my dreams. So I would say I was having the same reoccurring nightmare about having a tampon, bad tampon dream. I know this is gross, so I hope you're not eating, but like that I would have a tampon in, I would pull it out and there'd be another one. I'd have a tampon in and they'd pull it out and there'd be another one.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
And I think that it was feeling polluted from the inside out, but there was something, it was so dirty. The whole thing was dirty.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
In the difficult times, my love for you has gotten more deep and solid than I could have ever imagined. This is all because when we faced trouble, we faced it together. I have such faith and trust in you that have made me feel like we can conquer it all. I never felt more like a partner. I love you all over again, but it's different somehow. It's like we grew up this year.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
It's like going into a crowded room where you know it's not in your head, you're the subject of gossip. They were gallivanting around because they were the hosts.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I can truly feel how proud we are together with so many people would have fallen apart. I love you so much and I look forward to walking into our future with new eyes and new strength. Happy anniversary. I'm gonna throw up listening to that, okay? But like here's like, this just makes me sick. Now I look back on this, it's like pathetic. I'm pathetic. Like I'm a loser.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Like I just look at it as like I'm pathetic. I can't explain it. It just makes me mad at myself a little bit.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
If I were to actually think back on my childhood, I have such like John Hughes vibes. My childhood was very 80s traditional.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I kept a diary. And so when I look at my diary, I was filled with teenage angst. Every day I would write like my weight on like the top and be like, I hate my body.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
became very heavy in college. So even though I had, you know, all of these, like, nice memories, in retrospect, when I think about college, I was really just very, you know, sad about my weight.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
My first and second semester at Syracuse were awful. I had a 1.7 and a 1.9. I have not told my kids that. So if they're listening to this, yeah, guys, mom's a fraud. It wasn't even like I was a big drinker because I've never been a big drinker. I've never been a pothead. Like I've just never been, you know – It was more probably laziness. I wasn't fitting in any of my clothes.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I was gaining so much weight. I just don't think I wanted even to put on clothes.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
When somebody walks into my house, I want it to feel like a hug from the world. The world can be stressful, but this is a place of good music, good food, where you break a dish in my house and you celebrate.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Today, if you got a 1.7 and a 1.9, you couldn't go to law school. And I still ended up going to law school. You could blow it academically and be fine. I really loved law school. I didn't really see myself as somebody who was that smart. I could write. I could always write. It was a natural fit because it's a lot of writing.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I would listen to really aggressive music in my car. Limp Bizkit, Korn, you know, Metallica, to try to find that in me, because my dad would say, a client needs to see that someone's fighting for their behalf. I was friendly with everyone, and then I would say to my dad, you know what? I'm getting results almost easier than you are. Like, you're preparing like a lunatic and fighting.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I am going out to dinner with everybody and talking to people and telling my client's story. And we're not even, I'm getting results that like my dad would be scratching his head like, how did you get probation on that? And I'd be like, I just told everybody. We just had a conversation.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
The restaurant was beautiful, big, luxurious. But I couldn't wait to get out. I mean, like, I was ready to go out. It was a Saturday night, and, like, I was probably leaving to go somewhere else. My brother invited Josh.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Josh has always been big. He was a heavy guy. Very heavy. He was probably not nearly at his heaviest there. I didn't mind a heavy guy at all. I kind of liked a meatier guy because it made me feel small. But he was cute. He had a handsome face. He was very personable. Likeable. As likeable as they got. He was my younger brother's friend, so I didn't really think of him as potential.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
Josh left that dinner and said to my brother, I know as sure as I know my name, I'm going to marry your sister. And my brother was like, you're not going to touch my sister. And then my brother called me and was like, that kid that was at dinner said he's going to marry you. And I was like, he doesn't have a shot. First of all, I was a lawyer at that point. He never went to college.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
He was like a big drinker and a partier. I'm like not at all. A couple weeks after that, I was out to dinner on another date, and the check came, and Josh was at the restaurant, and he wrote that my date got the bill, and it said on the bill, taken care of by Cammie's future husband.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
This went on for two years. So I would see like his friends out and they would be like, oh, that's Josh's future wife. It was just a great story. Like I was literally like called all my friends up like, you're not going to believe this. But I really, I don't remember giving it much thought other than that's flattering.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
My mom stayed home because she was so sad that I didn't have a boyfriend over dinner.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
All of my friends were married. I was a bridesmaid every single weekend. I followed a lot of good friends. I was a bridesmaid every weekend. I was feeling really pathetic. So I was definitely feeling A, like a loser, and B, pressured to get married.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 1
I kissed him that night. He had a party back at his house after. And I was also a flirt. So he remembers it that I went and I kissed him more back at the house and was like, I'll be back later. And I never came back and he waited for me all night. So, but he called me right after that. We moved in together two weeks later.
Infamous
Why Do Influencers Want To Be Trad Wives?
Because I'm served up these videos regularly. You can start to see the buttermilk separate from the butterfat. We aren't done having babies. We are excited for our new farm store to open.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Now the FBI wants to interview me to see if I am at all guilty in this scheme. Okay, so then the world really stops. Could I go to jail? Is that on this menu? Holy shit. Oh my God. And they're going to ask me questions and everything I know is a lie. You see people get falsely accused of stuff and you see people, you know, life is not fair. Is this going to get worse?
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Is this how much worse can, like, that's what I kept on thinking. Like, is it going to get worse? How's it going to get worse? How can this possibly get worse? Now I'm like, I remember sitting in this In the FBI and you're sitting there, couldn't sleep the night before. You're leaning the gold light letters, Federal Bureau of Investigations and a big gold seal.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
And I kept on thinking of like, you know, what was that movie with Will Smith where there's aliens, men in black. I kept on thinking, I wish this was like supernatural where, you know, like how he has the light and one day everything was his world. And then the next day he finds out aliens exist and there's this secret men in black.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
So see if that helps your spiritual connection and maybe we'll be able to get through this. So I have someone online rapping. I saw him rapping to fill in. I was like, that's not it. This is nonsense. This is something else.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
If you have a loved one and they're having surgery and you're waiting in a hallway, it's this hallway of like angst and stress and where your time stopped, where you can look at a window and people are having lunch outside, but your life is stopped. Your life is like nothing about it's lighthearted. Everything is life or death. And that's this hallway that was just like
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
What's my life going to be? This is so bigger than me. This is so big. It's just so scary. How am I going to go home to my kids? I have to tell the truth. But my truth isn't good for their father. So I had that, like, will my kids forgive me? And my dad would say, Tammy, you don't have a choice. It's not like you can be like, no, thanks. I'm not going to talk to you. You're... Subpoenaed.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
My dad was like, the only thing you have to do is tell the truth. If you lie, you're going to go to jail, Cammie.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
And I saw Uncut Gems and I said, Josh, his energy is your energy. Like that's how you feel to me right now. This frantic energy.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
every time she would offer me a kindness, I'd be like, no, no, I can't take it. Linda, I don't feel comfortable, that's too much. And she would be like, you can't be a good giver unless you become a receiver, and I'm gonna teach you how to be a receiver. And it was really, I wouldn't, like, every time she was kind to me, I would break out in tears.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Like, I don't cry about Josh, but, like, it would make me cry when she was kind to me. I don't know if I didn't feel worthy or I felt guilty or I felt like a loser. Like, I didn't know what it was, but it was really hard for me to accept her kindness. And she forced it.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I called the kids' schools and I was like, I don't know what to do. And I had been a volunteer there forever. And both kids' schools were like, we'll help you. We're going to help you, Cammie. And like that kindness makes me cry.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Aliza said to me, you're a really good matchmaker, actually. Like, you're really good. I am a natural matchmaker. I love listening to people's stories. Love it. Like, you're listening to me and my story and... I love it. I believe in coaching more than matchmaking because I think that the mentality shifts.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
When you start spending a ton of money on your matchmaker, what do you want, what do you need, and what's a bother you can live with knowing that everyone's going to have something that's a bother? And if I help you move that boulder in front of you, you will find your person. I've built my own curriculum with Aliza's wisdom mixed in. So I start off with every matchmaking client.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I will not matchmake or take anyone on unless they agree to do six sessions with me. One, we start off, pretend I have a magic basement and in my magic basement, I can build for you the perfect person. How tall is he? Where does he live? What does he do? What's his ages? Like all of these things, like what's she do? And we build it. And then I say, I have to break it to you.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I don't have a magic basement. You can have some of those things. And I hope that like, listen, I hope you have all of those things, but most likely those are gonna be a sliding scale. But what is the most important to me is I'm gonna give you a list of 50 values. I'm gonna give you that list of values. You're gonna say, check please, I want them all. Because what's a value?
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I want somebody who's smart, funny, sophisticated, hardworking, family oriented. Give me 50, 50, 50, like wonderful things, check please. Out of this list of 50, give me your top five. And we talk about it. So if someone says, I want somebody who is smart, what does smart mean to you? Is smart street smart? Is smart book smart? What is smart? Is smart somebody who is wise?
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Like, tell me, define what that looks like, that you can't live without someone who is smart. When you say, you know, so for me, one of my values is I wanted somebody who is financially stable. What does that mean? Does that mean that person, you know, for me, somebody who's financially stable does not have debt?
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
pays their credit card bill off on time, someone who doesn't spend irresponsibly, right? For someone else, it could be that financial stability is millions and millions of dollars in the bank. I have no, to me, that can all go away. Being in a relationship that obviously was unhealthy, even though it was on the surface healthy, that is what it is.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
But finding your, you know, in case of emergency humans, is a special thing and can be a beautiful thing. If it's the wrong person, it's a gilded cage. It's so much better to be alone than with the wrong person.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
He had printed up t-shirts that said Josh Madoff and called and threatened that he was going to go to the kids' schools and pass them out at the end of the day. Can you imagine, I'm a 14 year old middle schooler. And We were able to back him off.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I was like, just make everybody whole. And he's like, I sold stock. I had this whatever, and I sold it for a million dollars, and we can pay people back. Amazing. Sell whatever we have. Great. Wonderful. So I thought that kind of... So it seemed like we were getting in front of it. And then there was this deal that was supposed to go through for $100 million to put money into the company to buy...
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Sukkot is my favorite Jewish holiday. Sukkot is a time where you build these temporary dwellings outside and you invite people in and you access joy through what's in the sukkah. What's in the sukkah? No material possessions, friends, family, food, stars, sun. And I make a big deal of it. I decorate my sukkah. It was the first night of Sukkot.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I brought him to the hospital. At that point, people were talking about COVID brain. I thought maybe he had a stroke. They pulled me aside and said, your husband has a 2.2 blood alcohol content. And I was like, that's not possible. Is there any way that that's wrong? Because it's the afternoon on a Friday. What do you mean? And they were like, no, it's true.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I said to Josh, they're going to let you stay here. I'm done. And I got the kids, got my parents. And I was like, I'm done. Like, this is it. You know, so I called his parents, called his sisters. And I was like, he's a mess. He's an alcoholic. I don't know what he is, but like, he's drunk. My father-in-law agrees. And we put him in a very expensive rehab. So yeah, we got him into rehab.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
He was writing me these long emails about how he has a new lease on life and how everything's, you know, he's going to change and he recognizes the error of his ways. And he is getting massages and meditating and he met a celebrity and everything was going to be great. And he was going to be bought out of the company for $2 million. It just like happened. I know none of that is true.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
There's no 2 million, but you want to believe it. If it's true, everything is so much easier. But at that point, I know there's no way this is true. I write him an email and I CC the, first I write the letter to the facility. I said, I know what, I want Josh to get better. He's the father of my children. They don't in anywhere want to interfere.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
But I have a feeling that you're not getting any truth to what's happening at home. And that you're getting this rosy picture that like, we still have money. He's going to start a new career and I'm divorcing him. And I don't want to hear about, he was mentioning a celebrity who was with him. I don't want to hear about the celebrity. I don't want to hear about the massages he's getting. I am done.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
And he has to face that this is our new reality and it is not pretty. So because I wrote that letter naming the celebrity, he had violated a confidentiality agreement and he was kicked out. So now it was, oh my God, I can't have him back here. And my father-in-law was like, I'm not paying for another stint at a... So we found, he said there was another place that our insurance took in California.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
the goods up front you know and that was being in the works and that actually closed it seemed like this could still work out it seemed like this was some like it could be fixed somehow so she went about trying to fix it there's a concept in judaism if you're honest in business that's the first thing that god asks you when you go to heaven is were you honest in business because were you honest when no one was watching so
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Of course, the place that he said was not free, did not take our insurance. And I find him a rehab facility in Mississippi. Um, so he goes to Mississippi at the rehab facility and it is a good facility. It is not luxury, but it's a good facility. So I get him a job at Starbucks out in Mississippi. I find rabbis in Mississippi. I actually find three rabbis in Mississippi.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
And he left there after like a week. And then he went to Florida. And really, it was just like, why did you leave? I actually think if he could rewrite this story and go to the Mississippi facility, get the job at Starbucks, try to rehabilitate his life, people would have softened.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
I was like, okay, Josh, you have to be honest. Let's start from, we have people who are willing to help us. We can figure this out. Who were you dishonest to? How do we get in front of it? There's something called rapping to fill in that you do when you're like really religious. I was like, maybe I'll reach out to someone to help you rap to fill in.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 3
Even with your friends who are like... In carpool lines and living like a normal life, like you can no longer relate to them anymore. We don't understand each other anymore. Like we're so different. There's lifetimes between what my stress is and your stress at this moment. Nothing's been paid. Then it was the next thing, the next bill, the next this, the next that.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
Everything is calculated to the minute. They are productions. They are lavish, like they're at a country club and they're creative and decorated great. I loved these parties. They're super fun to throw. The paper keeps on mentioning about the bat mitzvah. They do point to the bat mitzvahs, which I agree with. They were happy memories that are no longer happy memories, for sure.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
My credit card wouldn't work at the supermarket. And he'd be like, oh, you know, like I'm changing one, you know, and then like it would I'd be like, but Josh, it was embarrassing. And he'd be like, oh, it's okay. And then it would be okay. So there would be these things that would happen or money would be moved around. But again, there was something he would say all the time.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
My dad growing up had a nickname for me called the lady. I was the lady because I was always like very ladylike. And so Josh would say no stress for lady. And that was his big thing. No stress for lady. So if I would have financial concerns, he would always say no stress for lady. And it was just easier to be like, okay. And I always felt that the financial stuff was above my head.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
Like I didn't really understand this stuff. So it was just easier to be like, okay, like I'm going to focus on the things that I do understand.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
I mean, like my housekeeper had said to me, she's like, I think that there's vodka in Josh's coffee cup. And so I was like, Josh, was there vodka in your coffee cup? And he's like, no. He's like, somebody came over the night before. I gave him a drink. I kind of like spilled it in there. And I was like, okay.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
He was like, he once got so mad at me, he punched the wall and like split his finger open and needed stitches. Like this was out of nowhere. He was calling me a spoiled brat.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
we were in therapy and he was like, she's bringing all this stress on me. And you know, all she cared, you know, like it was really just ugly. It was really ugly. And I didn't recognize who this man was anymore. Like this was my favorite human on earth to be with. He was my best friend. I would have.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
You know, like, if you said to me, like, could I have a girls' night with my college friends or him? Him every day. Like, we loved movies. We loved dancing. Like, we, and I just was like, and he loved me. Like, I, and now I couldn't stand the sight of him and he couldn't stand the sight of me. It was really ugly.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
He said to Josh that he should open up a bank account for me to make me feel more in control of money, which Josh did. He didn't put money in it, but like he did open the bank account. So, and that was kind of enough for me. Like, okay, well, he's doing everything that he says he's going to do. And I was going to stop asking him a million questions about business.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
March 9th, 2020 was Purim. And I went to, there's a mitzvah poem that you have to listen to something called a Megillah reading, which is the story of Esther. It's fun and there's a grogger and the whole thing. So I went to synagogue to listen to this Megillah reading and I came out and there was all of these missed calls.
Infamous
From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
And I called Josh, and he and our friend, our dear friend, who's our lawyer, they were in a car, and Josh told me that he had lied about how much money we sold the company for.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
and gave false information to a friend of mine who was an investor that I've known since I was a little girl. He was like, will you just write a letter to him? Because I was a good writer. So I was like, I don't even know what I'm writing, but I'll just apologize. I just wanted to fix it. Okay, I'm so sorry. By accident, I sent it to the guy. And then I was like, can I just come over?
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
So I went right to this guy's house filled with beautiful art and styling and love. I mean, like fancy, gorgeous, really gorgeous. And he was like, Cammy, I think this can still be fixed. Like, who does Josh owe money to? I'm like, I don't know. I still have the piece of paper, like three names on that list. I was like, OK, this can still be fixed.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
You're talking about titans of the industry. You're talking about, you know, people who are inventors of tech. You name it. Like, you know, lots of real estate money in my area. Just, you're in a very prestigious pool.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
If they were paying for small stolen money, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, right?
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
A friend of mine asked me to hear a female speaker, an inspiration speaker. I had no idea it was about religion, zero. And it was this woman, Neely Cousins, and she spoke about God in a way that I didn't know Jews felt about God. And I remember the line, one of the lines that resonated with me, if God had a refrigerator, your picture would be all on it.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
And I just thought of my own refrigerator at home where like every one of my kids like stupid artwork or like whatever, like the pride I felt of all of the things on my refrigerator. I just never thought that God, I've never thought of it that way. Like I only knew God as like you fast on Yom Kippur. I didn't really think about it. So I wrote her a note afterwards that I was deeply moved.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
I would love for you to come to my house and speak to my friends. And I started to go to the, and she already had a group set up where I went, someone else graciously invited me to their house to learn. And we would just learn about all kinds of things. And there were these intimate circles of women
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
that were no longer talking about this teacher at school sucks and you know my husband you know was like a schlub it was women talking about like what does it mean to honor your parents what does it mean to not gossip this height like holds me to a higher level And being in the company of women who also want to hold themselves to a higher level is very inspiring.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
So I started having classes at my house. And I would have women like sitting on the steps. Like I could have 50 women in my house just we were learning. And it was one of the happiest things I was ever a part of. I loved it, loved it, loved it. And I felt like I was part of this like sweet space all the time.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
And I had these amazing teachers and we did a lot of stuff about parenting because we had young kids. You know, what's our purpose of a parent? Like what, you know, you know, like my teacher nearly would say, like, we all wish that our kids came with a washing label.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
Like, you know, if you had Michael Phelps as your son, you know, you would say swim lessons, swim lessons, swim lessons, more swim lessons, right? Like. And if they don't come with exact lessons of who they are, then try to find something in your kids. What are they good at? What do they excel at? How do you help them be that? So if they're not good at math, who cares?
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
They weren't meant to be a mathematician. But if they're a good dancer, your job as a parent is to be that diving board. Propel them into something else. And it upped my parenting game.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
My kids were little and I had never had a Shabbat dinner before. And we used to have dance party Shabbats with the kids. So this was way before any of that. I would have people over for Shabbat. And I always, I liked to cook and do all that stuff.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
And so like, and we would take all the pillows off our couch and the couch would like, you know, kids would like dance, we'd blast music and the kids would dance. It was like such a joy. Like every Friday, every Friday, this house was filled with like good food, lots of laughs. Here's Alisa again.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
Just that Cammie puts out a spread. She's, I mean, she's just the hostess with the mostest. She puts out a huge spread and Everyone from business people to babysitters are there. She just includes everyone and anybody.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
I remember meeting, Josh was always so proud to introduce me to like his newest business venture person or, you know, someone he's working with or trying to get involved or trying to get invested. So I remember being, you know, introduced to those types of people.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
Yes, you're in this zip code. The people who are coming, more likely than not, are successful people. I mean, like, that's who we knew. That's who was in our surroundings. There is a... So I would talk to the woman and he would talk to the man and they would talk about business. So there was always business discussion. Sometimes not at Shabbat, but yes, if there was somebody here...
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
Josh was a force and you kind of wanted to get on his train. So I'll have what he's having kind of thing. Like he was such a force, like why, you know, you would want to invest in him because he was so charismatic and devoted and passionate.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
He was always like that, like a peacock, right? He just was like an embellisher.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
I didn't like it. We had just come out from a financially vulnerable place.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
Sometimes he would brag about our sex life, and I didn't like that either. Also, it wasn't 100% true. We had a healthy sex life, but not to the point he was bragging about. And so then it was like, well, a lot of people struggle in their marriages with sex. You could be making somebody really unhappy by, so it was like the whole thing, everything was kind of embellished.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
These bat mitzvahs for sure are ridiculous, right? Like, they are ridiculous. They are over the top. They are expensive. I loved throwing them. I loved thinking about it. I loved planning them. I loved the whole thing.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
If you have means, like you... throw these huge parties for the bar bat mitzvah child. And it's not just celebrating them, it's celebrating family and life and everything else.
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From Conned to Cupid I Part 2
She had fun with it. So he started that. I wanted to write about a mother's perspective. And I would have the arm like old mother flocker. And like, I would, I would use my, because I like to write. Like, so I was going to write about a mother's experience in college and interview moms. And but I, so I wrote and my, the only person who read it was my own mom.