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Chapter 1: What is a trad wife?
It's the woman's job. She wants to take care of her husband. She wants to take care of her house. And it's done often with a particularly retro aesthetic. So it's a flashback to the 1950s, both in terms of the aesthetics and the clothing, and also in terms of the belief system. And I say the 1950s, I should have just said the 50s because you see a lot of prairie dress lifestyle.
Chapter 2: How do trad wives relate to social media?
Sometimes it feels like the 1850s. But regardless, it's being a stay-at-home mom or partner and pairing that with a set of particular beliefs about why you're doing that.
And we should talk a little bit about, you already referenced the aesthetic, but typically when I've seen videos like this on my TikTok, it's nearly always a white woman. And sometimes, as you said, referencing kind of a 1950s aesthetic or at least some sort of dress, floral dress, maybe a prairie dress. And yeah, espousing the benefits of this lifestyle. And it's not just a wife.
Chapter 3: What aesthetic defines the trad wife lifestyle?
There's kind of a stay-at-home girlfriend was a thing I was seeing on TikTok for a while. And there's kind of a stay-at-home girlfriend to trad wife pipeline, it seems.
What's really fascinating is when different cultural niches start to overlap with each other. And what I think is a particularly interesting overlap with the trad wife movement is the Make America Healthy Again sort of crunchy granola moms movement. who really supported RFK and who fear vaccines and who fear additives and who are really about organic health.
And so you'll see a lot of Tradwife videos, not only of them, here we are on our farm getting our own eggs or here I am homeschooling my children, but also like my children wanted golden grams for breakfast, so here's what I did. And then the video will be them like making a breakfast cereal
entirely from scratch i'm so glad you brought that up because i'm specifically thinking of nara when i asked my toddlers what they wanted for lunch they both wanted a grilled cheese so that's exactly what i got started on i got started by making my bread this is a really simple no-knead recipe you put all of your dry and wet ingredients into a bowl give it a mix and let it rise for two hours which gives me enough time to start making my cheese
I don't know whether it's a parody or it's definitely seemed to have moved into parody at least.
Yeah, she's aware. She knows. If it wasn't a parody in the beginning, she's aware now.
Right, but it's exactly as you're saying. It's this kind of intersection of the hyper-local, organic, ethical consumer who's really concerned with health and no additives and whatever, whatever, and then also doing that as a parody of a trad wife. But I mean, I also think about Ballerina Farm and the way that kind of this intersects with like, as you've already mentioned, like religious values.
Can you talk about Ballerina Farm a little bit?
Yeah. So Ballerina Farm is a wildly popular Instagram account. And I get it. I get why.
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Chapter 4: How do class and privilege affect the trad wife phenomenon?
That in a way, what we see of some social media influencers and people interested in this lifestyle is just a kind of throwing our hands up in the air or throwing their hands up in the air and saying, I'm opting out. I'm just rejecting. I'm rejecting this concept.
Totally. And it, you know, it makes sense to me. Like, if I think about the last 10-ish years, we had Lean In. We had kind of the idea of the girl boss, which was something I was slightly obsessed with. And I think we're at a point of disillusionment. with that because as you said, it's not that adding on more work meant that other work in the domestic sphere went away.
It just meant that you were doing it all and not having it all. And I guess my question is like, what's the answer? What's the solution to this?
Yeah, I mean, I'm of the belief that this is not a solution that can happen only in households. This is a solution that has to happen in society at large. And with the help of government policies and industry policies, I think that we need
paid parental leave, not just for women, but I think we need equal parental leave for men too, so that they can become invested and trained in the domestic arts and not have situations where women are just saying, oh, well, I'll just do it myself because he doesn't know how to.
So I think that part of that is a solution that you can really only make via the ballot box, via the people that you're electing and via the things that are important to them and the things that they're actually interested in doing for families.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the trad wife lifestyle on women's roles?
Yeah, you had this wonderful phrase. I just want to read the sentence. So the concept of romantic relationships as the ultimate life hack and the resigned idea that the only way to move forward is by moving backwards. And I think that's such great framing because we have been in the era of the life hack and the eternal optimization.
And so to view marriage and a relationship as a life hack rather than like a contract that you might be being entered into so you get sold off from your father and onto another man is like very interesting to me.
Yeah, I think that, I mean, it's fascinating to me when you read, especially young women who are aspiring to this, who see it as like a pathway to an easier lifestyle. Just the idea that like, I don't want to work myself to the bone. I want to live a life that feels easy. And you know, my gosh, I want that too. My TikTok feed is like 50% trad wives.
I watch ballerina farm content and I'm like, I too want to put up a movie screen and my prairie house and we'll all go out in our pajamas and you know, all of this. And then I think in real life, that would drive me crazy, but man, is it beautiful to look at on screen.
I'm a millennial and I have many friends who've graduated from Ivy League schools, who have masters, who can't find a job, who can't afford rent. And in a group chat I was in recently, one of my friends described herself as an aspiring trad wife. And she's incredibly smart and has a law degree. And it's because, this is my opinion, I think that it's because
The traditional ways of succeeding don't seem to be there anymore. We've gone to college, we've done all the things we're supposed to do, and yet we're still struggling. And I don't know, that allows me to have a little bit more empathy because I don't blame anyone. Like, we've been sold a bill of goods that doesn't really seem to be what it said on the label, you know?
Yeah. And I think that it is completely understandable and also completely dispiriting that we think that we have to life hack this by ourselves or that people would say, the only way I can do this is via a romantic relationship rather than we can do this societally. We can figure this out. It can get better. There are ways that it can get better.
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So despite the potential traps of being a trad wife, I really do believe in love and partnership, even though it's really hard to find. So to wrap up Cami's story, and to end on a positive note, we talked to the matchmaker she works with about religious matchmaking. Her name is Elisa Ben Shalom, and she's actually kind of famous. You might have seen her on the Netflix show Jewish Matchmaking.
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Chapter 6: How does the trad wife trend reflect societal disillusionment?
Even moving forward, doesn't matter how many years you're together, if you separate, you will never get anything that exists from this family business. It was like sign this or don't marry me. Those were the two options. She did get married. Thank God they're happily married.
But often with financials comes a lot of lawyers and a lot of paperwork and a lot of concern that somebody's after them for the wrong reasons.
So I'm curious too about in the U.S., if you work with a lot of clients who are first-generation immigrants, and if that changes how you dive into the dating pool.
I find that first-generation immigrants in the U.S. are more marriage-minded. They usually grew up more traditional. Even if they're secular, they still have a traditional aspect to them and their families. And so there's often a stronger sense of, I need to get married, I want to get married, and I want to make it happen now.
And often the timeline is shorter, like longer than the religious couples, but shorter than the secular couples. And they're more motivated to make something happen at a quicker pace. Culturally, singles from around the world are traditional. The U.S. itself is not very traditional. There's just a melting pot of people. There's a lot of secularism.
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Chapter 7: What solutions are needed for the challenges faced by women today?
And so the traditions were lost and people are just finding their own way and figuring it out and just taking time to do that.
And do you think being less traditional makes it harder or is it there's pros and cons both routes that you go down?
I think being less traditional gives less structure to the desire of what I want. When you are traditional, you have certain values that have been passed down from generation to generation, and you have a little bit more of a clear vision of what makes sense for you. When a person doesn't have tradition, then the question is, well, what's important to me? The entire world is open to you.
So how do you narrow it down and say this type of a person with these type of values would be appropriate to me? Because really anything could go. There's no limiting factors. You have to create those limiting factors. And I think creating limiting factors can sometimes be a challenge.
in figuring out who am i who will i be what do i want and how is that going to look when we don't have any roots from our history to carry us forward i think it presents more challenges that's it for this episode and for our series on cammy verney thank you for listening
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