Kara Swisher

The other thing is, let me just say a word very quickly and then we do about access journalism.

I was on Katie Drummond's podcast from Wired.

I think she's doing an astonishing job at Wired really reinvigorating that brand.

She asked about access and do I regret?

I have to say, I really think that

you get better stories not having access, actually, if you do really good reporting.

And, you know, being at the Wall Street Journal and a little bit at the Times and the Washington Post, they always bring it to you first, right?

And then you sort of agree to release it as if you got a scoop, but it isn't, because they hand delivered it to you.

I have to say, I got a lot better after I just said, fuck access.

Like, I don't care if they talk to me or not.

And I would say I did too much of that trading and every reporter does too much of that access stuff.

Like, I'll give you this, if you give me this.

And I'm so happy that they don't want to talk to me now because I can do whatever I want.

And I still find out more stuff because one of the things that Hegseth doesn't understand is reporting has moved on and there are so many sources.

And in the old days, you'd have to either meet someone or get a phone call, which is real traceable, right?

And so it was really, now there's so many ways to get to sources and so many ways for them to get to you.

and to publish on their own.

It's a whole different game.

So as usual, Hegdeth, who is living in the 80s with the way he dresses and does the party on Garth, is really way behind in understanding how now they will double down on finding shit about him and reporting.

Because it's all there.