Kara Swisher

This is going to never be brought up again for 20 years, 50 years.

So they're going to just keep trying to smash until they can't, even if they don't win.

Meaning?

No, I know, but who's the rogue, him or us?

Yes, yes.

Our government is the rogue.

Parts of it, parts of it.

We're living in an executive that wants to take more power than ever, which is something that happens in Silicon Valley.

It happens in, they're trying to apply their Silicon Valley, you spoke of Thiel and the others, Silicon Valley management style to the government.

which has been growing for decades and decades and decades.

That's not a new, fresh thing.

And some used to accuse Franklin Delano Roosevelt of a similar thing.

I was not alive then, but if you read history.

So I think there's always been this push for unitary executive power.

It just tends to get pushed back every single time because of the Constitution.

Yes, yes, I would think so.

But I think it's a rogue group of people within the state, because what I've been struck by is how enduring some of it is, right?

You're seeing pushback everywhere.

And I know it's, I think one of the things that I think about a lot is it's very easy, when you run for office, you can be, and I don't like to use this phrase as much, but a bomb thrower, right?

You can make trouble everywhere.