Kara Swisher

And when you're governing, you change as a governor, right, to govern things, and you aren't a bomb thrower.

So,

This is a government that just never governs.

It bomb throws and breaks and doesn't fix.

I mean, the White House ballroom is a construction pit.

They just destroy.

And I don't even know if that ballroom is ever going to get made.

It's a kind of a physical manifestation of the mentality of just destroy.

And once we've destroyed, we've won the fight already because now we have to, the rest of us, pick it up.

But I am struck by the power of the pushback, actually.

Yes, yes, yeah.

Yes, it will be.

I mean, I know that sounds crazy, but when I was in college, two guys ran for the student body presidency, right?

And they basically had a nihilistic thing, like, we just want to party, we want to spend all the money on ourselves.

And they won, right?

People were kind of sick of the student body president types who wanted to do good government.

And there is a moment where I think voters do like chaos, right?

right?

But at some point, they don't.

They absolutely do not.