Kara

Okay.

It's an evangelical nonprofit that's a lot about taking kids who aren't Christians and trying to take them to these camps where they have these like spiritual experiences.

And then they're like, I want to be a Christian now.

I was a camper and I was a leader and a staff member.

remember?

Wow.

And now I am none of those things.

Your life has taken a lot of turns.

Yes.

The emo teen to young life staff to therapist pipeline is crazy.

I grew up in the church.

I mean, at the time, it was a great community.

It really, I think, served a lot of purposes that I can still hold on to.

And one of them was that, like, I had some really great times at camp.

And this is where that camp was.

It's called Malibu, but it's not anything like Malibu, California.

Yeah.

Except that it is really beautiful.

And this camp, you take one ferry and then you drive for a while and then you take this boat that just has campers on it.

It's a three hour, very slow boat ride to this like secluded camp that used to be where celebrities would go.