Karen Hao

And he kind of does a bit of a sounding board thing to Helen just because Ilya's freaking out.

He's been like sitting on these concerns for a while.

And he's like, if I tell this to someone, this could also be really bad for me if Altman finds out.

And so he asks for a meeting with Toner.

And in that first meeting, he's like,

Like he barely says a thing.

He's just like dancing around trying to figure out, hey, is this someone that I can maybe trust to divulge more information?

She was a board member.

Just a board member.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And specifically an independent board member.

So Opening Eye, when it was a nonprofit, the board was split between people who had a stake, financial stake in the company, and then people who were fully independent.

And this was meant to be a structure that would balance the decision-making to be in the benefit of the public interest rather than to be in the benefit of the for-profit entity that Opening Eye then created.

And Ilya, as a

non-independent board member was approaching Toner as an independent board member to try and see whether or not she was potentially seeing or hearing the same things that he was about the effect that Altman was having on the company.

This then sets off a series of conversations, first between Ilya and Helen, and then between Meera Maradi and some of the board members.

So Meera Maradi was...

At that point, the chief technology officer of OpenAI, where these two senior leaders, essentially through these conversations and through documentation that they're pulling together, like email, Slack messages, and so forth, they convey to the independent board members, three independent board members, we are...

very concerned about Altman's leadership.