Karen Kilgariff

Yes. The scenery is just like spot on. There's like a missing child aspect to it, which is always exciting.

Yes. The scenery is just like spot on. There's like a missing child aspect to it, which is always exciting.

All right. Settle in, Karen. Okay. Okay. Get ready to hear about something we've talked about, we've touched on before. Okay. But we never delved into. Okay. The Yosemite murders, Carrie Stainer. Wow. As we know, and we've talked about, Cary Stainer, here's just like the beginning of the fucked up-edness. Cary Stainer was the big brother of Stephen Stainer.

All right. Settle in, Karen. Okay. Okay. Get ready to hear about something we've talked about, we've touched on before. Okay. But we never delved into. Okay. The Yosemite murders, Carrie Stainer. Wow. As we know, and we've talked about, Cary Stainer, here's just like the beginning of the fucked up-edness. Cary Stainer was the big brother of Stephen Stainer.

If you'll remember, in 1972, was kidnapped and held captive by a child molester named Kenneth Parnell. Cary was the older brother, and he was... 11 years old. When it happened? Yeah, when it happened. And Stephen, the brother, was held captive more than seven years before escaping. That itself is a fucked up story that you guys should look up.

If you'll remember, in 1972, was kidnapped and held captive by a child molester named Kenneth Parnell. Cary was the older brother, and he was... 11 years old. When it happened? Yeah, when it happened. And Stephen, the brother, was held captive more than seven years before escaping. That itself is a fucked up story that you guys should look up.

Well, when you when we talked about that, that was the first time I found out that these two are brothers because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Stephen's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected. And that just makes it.

Well, when you when we talked about that, that was the first time I found out that these two are brothers because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Stephen's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected. And that just makes it.

It just, it makes, it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer and you're like, how does your brain do that? And then we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there.

It just, it makes, it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer and you're like, how does your brain do that? And then we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there.

Well, so the year after Stephen came back, I'm going to call him Carrie. Carrie's uncle was murdered and Carrie was living with the uncle at the time. But no one considered him a suspect. And Carrie would later claim that his uncle molested him.

Well, so the year after Stephen came back, I'm going to call him Carrie. Carrie's uncle was murdered and Carrie was living with the uncle at the time. But no one considered him a suspect. And Carrie would later claim that his uncle molested him.

Cut to 1997. Cary was hired as a handyman at the Cedar Lodge Motel in El Porto, just outside of the Highway 140 Arc Rock entrance to Yosemite National Park. So just outside Yosemite, Cedar Lodge. The weekend before February 1999,

Cut to 1997. Cary was hired as a handyman at the Cedar Lodge Motel in El Porto, just outside of the Highway 140 Arc Rock entrance to Yosemite National Park. So just outside Yosemite, Cedar Lodge. The weekend before February 1999,

he was having these murderous fantasies that had become so intense that he knew he was going to murder someone he prepared a murder rape kit containing a rope a roll of duct tape and a serrated kitchen knife and later a gun and a camera and as far as we know other besides his uncle which may or may not have happened this is his first these are his first murders okay

he was having these murderous fantasies that had become so intense that he knew he was going to murder someone he prepared a murder rape kit containing a rope a roll of duct tape and a serrated kitchen knife and later a gun and a camera and as far as we know other besides his uncle which may or may not have happened this is his first these are his first murders okay

So on Valentine's Day, 1999, Carol's son, who was 42, her daughter, Julie, who was 15, and Sylvina Peloso, who was 16, were his first victims. Carol was initially leery of Carrie when he knocked on their cabin door saying he had to fix a fan in the bathroom. She talked him through the window and didn't want to let him in and only did so after he said he'd go get the manager to like confirm it.

So on Valentine's Day, 1999, Carol's son, who was 42, her daughter, Julie, who was 15, and Sylvina Peloso, who was 16, were his first victims. Carol was initially leery of Carrie when he knocked on their cabin door saying he had to fix a fan in the bathroom. She talked him through the window and didn't want to let him in and only did so after he said he'd go get the manager to like confirm it.

And she was like, no, no, no, no, no. That's OK. You know, the way people do. When they give you the double confirmation.

And she was like, no, no, no, no, no. That's OK. You know, the way people do. When they give you the double confirmation.