Karen Kilgariff

Yeah. Murder, cancer. You're going to be the smartest person you know because you've dealt with this thing.

Yeah. Murder, cancer. You're going to be the smartest person you know because you've dealt with this thing.

And my family who was there for me when I like that we were able to get through this together. The fact that her dad listens to that on the way to this bullshit. You guys.

And my family who was there for me when I like that we were able to get through this together. The fact that her dad listens to that on the way to this bullshit. You guys.

That's amazing. And then, of course, you better believe that some awesome murderino created our logo with this brand new title. We'll put it up on the Instagram and on all the socials. It was Jason Klein. Jason Klein was like, the wife's out of the house.

That's amazing. And then, of course, you better believe that some awesome murderino created our logo with this brand new title. We'll put it up on the Instagram and on all the socials. It was Jason Klein. Jason Klein was like, the wife's out of the house.

Apparently, we really loved Stranger Things. I don't remember having that sort of passion. I don't either. The first season, I think, was fucking excellent. And that's why.

Apparently, we really loved Stranger Things. I don't remember having that sort of passion. I don't either. The first season, I think, was fucking excellent. And that's why.

Mystery, 80s mystery with like great clothes, music.

Mystery, 80s mystery with like great clothes, music.

Yes. The scenery is just like spot on. There's like a missing child aspect to it, which is always exciting.

Yes. The scenery is just like spot on. There's like a missing child aspect to it, which is always exciting.

All right. Settle in, Karen. Okay. Okay. Get ready to hear about something we've talked about, we've touched on before. Okay. But we never delved into. Okay. The Yosemite murders, Carrie Stainer. Wow. As we know, and we've talked about, Cary Stainer, here's just like the beginning of the fucked up-edness. Cary Stainer was the big brother of Stephen Stainer.

All right. Settle in, Karen. Okay. Okay. Get ready to hear about something we've talked about, we've touched on before. Okay. But we never delved into. Okay. The Yosemite murders, Carrie Stainer. Wow. As we know, and we've talked about, Cary Stainer, here's just like the beginning of the fucked up-edness. Cary Stainer was the big brother of Stephen Stainer.

If you'll remember, in 1972, was kidnapped and held captive by a child molester named Kenneth Parnell. Cary was the older brother, and he was... 11 years old. When it happened? Yeah, when it happened. And Stephen, the brother, was held captive more than seven years before escaping. That itself is a fucked up story that you guys should look up.

If you'll remember, in 1972, was kidnapped and held captive by a child molester named Kenneth Parnell. Cary was the older brother, and he was... 11 years old. When it happened? Yeah, when it happened. And Stephen, the brother, was held captive more than seven years before escaping. That itself is a fucked up story that you guys should look up.

Well, when you when we talked about that, that was the first time I found out that these two are brothers because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Stephen's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected. And that just makes it.

Well, when you when we talked about that, that was the first time I found out that these two are brothers because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Stephen's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected. And that just makes it.

It just, it makes, it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer and you're like, how does your brain do that? And then we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there.

It just, it makes, it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer and you're like, how does your brain do that? And then we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there.