Karen Kilgariff

And then the FBI later revealed that Kerry Stainer originally planned to murder his then girlfriend that he was dating at the time of these murders and her two children. And he attempted three separate occasions, but was derailed when he saw another person on the grounds where they lived, leading him to find his first victims at the Cedar Lodge Motel instead.

And then the FBI later revealed that Kerry Stainer originally planned to murder his then girlfriend that he was dating at the time of these murders and her two children. And he attempted three separate occasions, but was derailed when he saw another person on the grounds where they lived, leading him to find his first victims at the Cedar Lodge Motel instead.

And actually, one of the little girls, one of the daughters of the then-girlfriend, has come forward and talked about him as the perfect stepdad type. And they had no clue whatsoever, of course. Wow. And then her horrible survivor's guilt that she had and just how awfully it affected her life. It's really moving. But yeah, in general, that's just such a fuck story.

And actually, one of the little girls, one of the daughters of the then-girlfriend, has come forward and talked about him as the perfect stepdad type. And they had no clue whatsoever, of course. Wow. And then her horrible survivor's guilt that she had and just how awfully it affected her life. It's really moving. But yeah, in general, that's just such a fuck story.

So dark. Just terrible. I know. I think there's a really good documentary out there about this, too, if you want to check it out. All right. Well, let's get to your wild story. Wild, also heartbreaking. This is Karen's story about Clark Rockefeller.

So dark. Just terrible. I know. I think there's a really good documentary out there about this, too, if you want to check it out. All right. Well, let's get to your wild story. Wild, also heartbreaking. This is Karen's story about Clark Rockefeller.

What's the documentary called? It's called My Friend Rockefeller. Yeah, I never got through it.

What's the documentary called? It's called My Friend Rockefeller. Yeah, I never got through it.

Fair enough. And doesn't he make like everyone happy around him too? Like everyone thinks he's so funny.

Fair enough. And doesn't he make like everyone happy around him too? Like everyone thinks he's so funny.

I can't even talk to the person sitting next to me on an airplane.

I can't even talk to the person sitting next to me on an airplane.

yeah much less asking people if you can go stay at their parents house oh my god I asked Vince if I can like eat some of his chips because I feel bad about it I can't imagine me like can I stay at your place we met once and just weird and uncomfortable no um

yeah much less asking people if you can go stay at their parents house oh my god I asked Vince if I can like eat some of his chips because I feel bad about it I can't imagine me like can I stay at your place we met once and just weird and uncomfortable no um

But there was no Russian prisoner of war because of or not a prisoner of war of a war. Accused of war crimes or something like that. Yes, like a political person.

But there was no Russian prisoner of war because of or not a prisoner of war of a war. Accused of war crimes or something like that. Yes, like a political person.

Maybe she was like, needed him. Maybe she's like a lesbian and like, he's her family story. Yeah.

Maybe she was like, needed him. Maybe she's like a lesbian and like, he's her family story. Yeah.

I'll do it when I meet someone else.

I'll do it when I meet someone else.