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Karen Torgaly

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
284 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And that was that at that time, there was a red telephone in the offices of top officials that went straight to the Politburo or the ruling people in the Soviet Union.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And he knew where some of those red phones were that he was not allowed to use himself.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

But he knew if he could get a hold of this guy named Anastas Mikoyan, who was in charge of public health in the whole Soviet Union, he might have a chance of convincing him to go over Petrovsky's head and give them permission to start.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

They had known each other.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

They had met.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

Chumakov knew that Mikoyan had grandchildren that he wanted protected from polio more than anything.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

What Chumakov did was he went to one of the offices where he knew there was a red phone and sat until the receptionist stepped away from her desk for a minute.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And he ran into the office, picked up the red telephone, and asked for Mikoyan.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

He said, Anastas Mikoyan, this is Mikhail Chumakov.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

I have a vaccine for poliovirus and Boris Petrovsky doesn't let me use it.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

What can I do?

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

So Anastas Mikoyan said, is it a good vaccine?

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And Mikhail Chumakov said, yes, it is a good vaccine.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

He said, use it.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And then he hung up.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And that was it.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

Ultimately, the Sabin oral polio vaccine was given to around 100 million people in the USSR.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

It was more efficient.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

It was easier to store.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

It was cheaper to make.