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Karen Torgaly

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
284 total appearances

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American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

So when they went back to Russia, both Voroshilova and Chumakov had files of Sabin's vaccine viruses in their pockets on the airplanes.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And he gave them really detailed instructions about how to make vaccine from those samples.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

So they had that good start.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

They also had gotten permission to use the Salk vaccine.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And there was a scientist in St.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

Petersburg, it was called Leningrad at the time, who used the Salk vaccine for at least a year and tried it to see if it would stop their epidemics that were going on there.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And he had very little success with it.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

Chumakov, he wanted to give the Sabin vaccine to the people because he could see that it was a superior vaccine and that it would stop the epidemics that they were in danger of having.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

The difference was the Salk vaccine was injected and just got into the blood, but the Sabin vaccine was given orally and it got into the blood and the gut.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And they had discovered that polio was spread by fecal-oral route instead of by the respiratory route.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

Now, Chumakov had already organized all the administering programs to give the Sabin vaccine.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And they were organizing the different health units that they had within the country that were all set.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

All they had to do was get the go-ahead to do it, and they didn't have it.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

There was someone who was Chumakov's superior, whose name was Boris Petrovsky, who happened to be a former friend of Chumakov's, but who began to resent him because he had sort of insulted him in front of some of their peers.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

He called him an idiot for something he had said, and he never forgave Chumakov for that.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

So to get permission to get the vaccine in all of Russia, Chumakov had to get Petrovsky's permission to do it.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And Petrovsky was not willing to do that.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

That was very frustrating for Mikhail Chomakov.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

And he didn't know how he was going to get around that problem.

American History Tellers
Conquering Polio | There Is No Patent | 4

But there was a system that he and Sabin sort of talked about and worked out.