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I will not defy the Supreme Court.

I will not defy the Supreme Court.

I will not defy the Supreme Court.

So what you're both saying is that we're just still suspended, like we don't know, we don't have the crisis yet. I mean, how many headlines I've read that say the constitutional crisis is here, but you're not saying that.

So what you're both saying is that we're just still suspended, like we don't know, we don't have the crisis yet. I mean, how many headlines I've read that say the constitutional crisis is here, but you're not saying that.

So what you're both saying is that we're just still suspended, like we don't know, we don't have the crisis yet. I mean, how many headlines I've read that say the constitutional crisis is here, but you're not saying that.

Ashley, you asked Trump about the 2028 hats that his organization is selling. Yes, you rolled your eyes when I asked you that. What was your takeaway about what he's saying about running for a third term?

Ashley, you asked Trump about the 2028 hats that his organization is selling. Yes, you rolled your eyes when I asked you that. What was your takeaway about what he's saying about running for a third term?

Ashley, you asked Trump about the 2028 hats that his organization is selling. Yes, you rolled your eyes when I asked you that. What was your takeaway about what he's saying about running for a third term?

What do you think Trump wanted to accomplish by inviting you two and Jeff to the Oval Office? Like, why did he want to sit down with you?

What do you think Trump wanted to accomplish by inviting you two and Jeff to the Oval Office? Like, why did he want to sit down with you?

What do you think Trump wanted to accomplish by inviting you two and Jeff to the Oval Office? Like, why did he want to sit down with you?

Und was war die Orientierung zu Jeff? Was war die Vibe zwischen ihnen? Was wollte er von Jeff?

Und was war die Orientierung zu Jeff? Was war die Vibe zwischen ihnen? Was wollte er von Jeff?

Und was war die Orientierung zu Jeff? Was war die Vibe zwischen ihnen? Was wollte er von Jeff?

Ashley, Michael, thank you both so much for joining us. Thank you. This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Kevin Townsend and Janae West. It was edited by Claudina Bade, engineered by Erika Wong and fact-checked by Sarah Korlewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

Ashley, Michael, thank you both so much for joining us. Thank you. This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Kevin Townsend and Janae West. It was edited by Claudina Bade, engineered by Erika Wong and fact-checked by Sarah Korlewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

Ashley, Michael, thank you both so much for joining us. Thank you. This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Kevin Townsend and Janae West. It was edited by Claudina Bade, engineered by Erika Wong and fact-checked by Sarah Korlewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

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