Trump Is Enjoying Himself
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Why did Jeffrey Goldberg visit the Oval Office?
Yes.
By a guy.
By a guy.
Who has referred to you as a total sleazebag and the editor of a failing magazine.
Yeah.
How did you expect he would receive you? Like, as you were going over there, what did you think was going to happen?
80% he would be full charm offensive. 20% he would start yelling at me.
This is The Atlantic's Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey Goldberg, talking about Donald Trump, of course.
I figured that people on the staff, on his team, might be a little dubious about this whole operation. And they were. That was facially obvious, as they say. But no, him, I figured, I kind of guessed this correctly, I figured he was bringing me over there to try to charm me.
What was Trump's reaction to Goldberg's article?
This is Radio Atlantic. I'm Hannah Rosen. Not long before Jeff and Atlantic staff writers Michael Shearer and Ashley Parker met in the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump posted on Truth Social, calling Jeff a person, quote, responsible for many fictional stories about me. Aber Trump hat auch geschrieben, dass Jeffs neueste Geschichte, Signalgate, als Jeff zu einem Gruppechat über Kriegspläne, Ups, verabschiedet wurde, etwas erfolgreich war. Trump hat das Wort erfolgreich in Quoten geschrieben. In der zweiten Hälfte des Shows werden wir mit Michael und Ashley über ihre Cover-Story im Atlantik sprechen. Trump genießt das, insbesondere über das, wie Michael Trump kalt genannt hat und Trump das Telefon aufgenommen hat. Aber zuerst wollte ich wissen, was geschah, als Jeff, der eine der größten Geschichten dieses Jahr über die Trump-Administration geschrieben hat, Trump kennengelernt hat. Der Kerl, der ihm eine Schlauchmaschine genannt hat.
We go over to the Resolute desk and he stands up and forget the exact words, but it's like, oh, this is going to be interesting. And he shakes hands with Ashley Parker, Michael Scherer, and gives me a big handshake, big warm handshake. And, you know, we just sort of sit down right in front of him. Stephen Chung is sitting on the same row and kind of launch into it. I thanked him for seeing us and I made my sincere point that it's better for us to talk than not talk. Und dann ging es auf die Rennen. Aber er war charmant, fokussiert. Und vor allem war ich da... with two writers who were actually writing a very large piece for us. So they had to drive the interview. But there was no hostility.
I mean, you've read the Truth Social post about our visit that he posted like four hours before that was filled with hostility and nonsense. And, you know, I said to him or one of us said, what was that about? He's being Mr. Friendly. Mr. Charmer, and he said, well, I wanted to up the pressure on you a little bit. And then he said, you know, everything is a transaction. So it's like, look, I got something out of that post, meaning I got to screw with you a little bit, but you're going to sell so many more magazines because of that post. I can't disagree with him. And obviously, Drew, I mean, within 20 minutes of that post, I probably had, I don't know, 50, 60, 70... Ja, genau. Yeah, it was very low-key. He wrote something that was odd in his Truth Social post.
He said, my scoop, or, you know, he uses a lot of scare quotes, was, you know, somewhat more successful than the Suckers and Losers story from four years ago, five years ago.
He said you were somewhat successful with Signalgate.
Yeah, and so I said, what does that mean? Do you mean that I exposed an operational security lapse that then helped you run a tighter administration? But what he meant was, like, you got a lot of attention. The metric of success was, you got more attention in that period than I got. I think it was a kind of a, like, well, all right, you won that round.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
Why did Jeffrey Goldberg visit the Oval Office?
0:38–1:31
2
What was Trump's reaction to Goldberg's article?
1:31–6:35
3
What lessons did Trump learn from being in the political wilderness?
6:35–7:51
4
How did Trump's comeback strategies evolve?
7:51–11:21
5
What does Trump's attitude towards his critics reveal?
11:21–13:35
6
What insights did the Atlantic staff gain from their interactions with Trump?
13:35–14:36
7
What are the implications of Trump's performance style?
14:36–37:54