Kat Rosenfield

And I don't think this is true of all cops.

It's just true of enough of them to make for unfortunate stereotypes when people sometimes act as though they're doing everything in their power to fulfill.

You have people who like bossing people around, who like having a gun, who like being in charge.

And those are generally the officers who get caught on camera acting like authoritarian bullies.

Is it, you know, I don't, I'm probably mispronouncing it.

I say fray, but I actually don't know.

Yeah, I do, insofar as I think that that is a major contributing factor to persuading ordinary people to do things that are dangerous to them without realizing it.

You know, the big thing about what happened to Renee Good is somebody persuaded her that she should go out and do what she did.

Somebody persuaded her that she should interpose herself into a situation where a law enforcement officer with a gun

was trying to apprehend somebody and she should make herself an obstacle to that, you know, she should put herself in the way and did not tell her that she was risking her life by doing that.

That is a horrible thing to do to mislead somebody that way.

And I think it is unfortunately likely because nobody has kind of toned it down on either side that we're going to see this happen again.

Well, they should act within the parameters of what is legally permitted, which in the U.S.

is quite a lot.

You can film law enforcement.

You can heckle law enforcement.

You have free speech.

We're seeing—I mean, I think that ICE is extremely hair-trigger on this, and you can argue both sides of this.

You can say, well, yeah, of course they are.

You know, every time they leave their homes, they're harassed.