Kat Rosenfield

They are, you know, sometimes physically assaulted or worse.

This is the problem, is everything is really at a fever pitch right now.

And you have this very explosive situation where—

Yeah, if you get too close to an ICE agent at this point and you're yelling at him and then you accidentally brush your sleeve against him, you're probably going to get tackled.

Again, hey, Matt, I'm not saying what should happen.

I'm saying this is what is happening.

We have to understand accurately the contours of this situation and communicate accurately to people that,

what they are risking when they engage with these people.

I don't think they should be behaving this way.

I mean, personally, I would prefer they're not there at all.

But they are.

We are doing this.

As a country, as a government, it's happening.

And so I think that given that, given that there is no altering that fact for right now, the most important thing is for people to understand if you are in a confrontation with ICE and you give them a reason to tackle you and they don't need very much of one, then they're going to tackle you.

43.

I think a lot of different things are contributing to that.

I don't think you're wrong.

For me, I do remember, you know, there was a lot of protesting of, for instance, the Iraq war on my college campus.

Yeah.

Yeah.