Kate Ceberano

Yes.

Isn't she a spunk?

Like seriously, she's a very wise and a natural artist.

Yeah, well, opera is a state of mind, isn't it, after all?

Well, I don't think so.

I don't think it's a state of mind.

Let me explain myself because I love it.

I love it when you offer me that and I'll tell you why I said exactly that.

It's because Rosalia is an artist who's a pop act, who's just like taken over the world.

Right, yes.

She's an opera singer.

She's like the reincarnation of Maria Callas, but she's in a contemporary skin.

And so the kind of like, if you put that into that sausage machine, as we're just talking about, and getting back to Ricky Lee in a minute, but what you end up getting is this hybrid version of modern opera.

That's what I mean.

Like sometimes when I get up there, I feel a little bit like, you know, especially when I'm like letting it rip, like I've got the blonde.

the blonde braids and the steel cap and the Valkyrie.

That's what I mean.

Opera is a state of mind.

I don't really know opera very well, so I can't claim to know anything about it.

But when I hear opera singers and when I feel, I feel like they're kind of an engine that has more fuel than most average normal people.