Kate Ceberano

And she's showing you her life.

She is, in my opinion, a new and improved model of me.

Because she has deeper thoughts and has come to conclusions that took me years and years and years to make.

Like that one about parents, like that adult.

Yes.

She has differences that are quite unique.

And Lewis has differences about the way he sees the world that are totally unique to him and his generation.

And I see in a kind of way, in a weird way, they're uninfluencible.

Like they are themselves.

Yes, yes.

You and I can study and read any book and, in fact, I do.

Like I don't think anyone can make any judgement unless they've fully involved themselves in a subject.

So let's just take religion off the plate, for instance.

I don't like celebrities who bang on about politics.

No, I hate it.

Well, first of all, we don't know the value of their education on it.

And I, having left school early, know what it feels like to be stigmatised because I wasn't educated.

Okay, so I'm very aware that I almost have to overcompensate in study, my own private studies, to just legitimise my life because education is a very...

stable way of assessing a person's worth in society, right?

It's a currency.