Kate Ceberano

But you don't always know to do that.

No, you don't.

I only know when you put the baby on the nipple.

There's something that transforms you, right?

Yes.

Not every woman will have that opportunity to feel it, but when it does, it tends to pull in all the parts of you that have been extending well beyond your natural self, right?

Yeah.

And you actually have to say, okay, no, that one, that extension over there is, wow, it's amazing, but we're going to rope her in a little bit because that's definitely going to go into crazy town.

What I'm saying is like...

I don't know necessarily, I can't say whether my husband and I at 36 would have remained together at 60 had we not had that crossroads.

Yes.

Right?

So there were things that compelled us to change our habits and our expectations of ourselves in life and in our careers, respectively.

We had to actually really put them on the table and go, so what are you prepared to give up?

And then he said, well, what are you prepared to give up?

And it was like game on.

Was this a real conversation?

Oh, shit, yeah.

Because I was wanting to see if we could have children at 36, which they called me, you know, a geriatric.

Yes, I had all my children as a geriatric.