Kate Cox

And that has been borne out across the entire arc of The Verge.

It's been borne out across the entire arc of Decoder.

We're at the point.

I keep saying this.

The audience is like, we just want you to talk.

That is a very powerful position to be in.

So we're going to keep earning that.

But then I should use that to get the access that other people have to ask for or make concessions to get.

And we don't have to do that.

And I won't ever do that.

And I think that puts me in a position where we can create more of these moments of conflict, more adversarial moments of journalism.

But we also have to not be rude.

Like the people have to want to show up and engage and be honest with me.

And so I think sometimes people see like decorum is concession.

And there's nothing I can do about that.

They have to open their web browser and look into a camera and talk to me.

And the fact that often they're not even in the same room as me means leaving is trivial.

It's like you're a command W away from ending this interaction.

And so you do have to walk the line a little bit.

Yeah, I don't disagree at all.