Kate Cox

And Apple's not giving up, and the consumers aren't giving up, and they've got to make something that's good enough for you to not want that.

Can they do that?

I do not know the answer to that question.

I think a lot of you think you know the answer to that question, and the answer is obviously no.

But there are improvements.

There is a lot of incentive to figure it out.

And that's why we keep talking about it, because...

Honestly, getting a CEO on the show and saying, have you looked at your own product?

It's not good, is like the prototype of a great episode of Decoder.

This is why I keep wanting enterprise software CEOs in the show and why they don't come.

But car makers love talking about their cars.

They love talking to me for some reason and saying, is your software good?

Really?

It's like, that's it.

I can do that for an hour every week for the rest of my life.

Yeah, I think we should definitely do an episode on libraries.

I think the fascinating dynamic of Silicon Valley continuing to invent public goods and accidentally inventing libraries over and over again is at the heart of all that.

What does it mean to have the internet and access to information as a public good in the commons supported by the state?

Yeah.

Boy, there's a lot of decoder themes in there, and it is under a lot of pressure.