Kate Hulett

I know.

Oh, 100%.

Walked it.

Of course.

And it was a real shock to Labor.

And I think that what I was very interested in was like, oh, this is just about communication.

You've just got to talk to people and talk to people about the stuff they care about in ways they understand.

And they get engaged.

You know, hundreds of people reach out to me and say, I've never done anything political and I've been holding your call.

I've been letter dropping for you.

I've been telling all my friends.

And there's this layer of people that just want to get involved but they don't know how and they've been actively excluded and disengaged because it's boring and you just think, well, what's the point?

Nothing changes.

You know, it feels like we're so powerless.

But, of course, that whole experience was like, oh, no, we're so powerful.

We've just got to get organised.

And we've got to get serious and we've got to work today not only for everyone that's alive now but for the people that are yet to join us on this planet.

And it's critical.

You're doing this again, ranting and raging.

Well, I think –