Kate Hulett

There were great bathrooms and change rooms for, you know, babies.

There was a cafe which I ran and I would notice guys in their 20s or 30s meeting there because it wasn't a shop.

It was kind of a space where you could there was music and art and people making surfboards or furniture or, you know, pulling a beer and

Yeah, I mean I think there's a massive gaping hole of incubation that we don't facilitate and I think that that is important at all levels of all creativity and science, medical stuff, everything really.

You know, you need to support people.

incubation in order to have a healthy cycle, you know, and that kind of gentrification.

And we often used the example of the T building in East London whereby that was that idea.

We gave low-cost space out to...

creatives and actually then they became profitable businesses that started paying commercial rates and then they didn't have to kick everyone out and do all the millions of pounds worth of refurbishment.

They were able to generate the right income that they needed.

But I think there's still a place that you need incubation that then those people can move out into the workplace, the commercial sector.

But then you need to backfill it.

It's succession planning, isn't it?

And people need the opportunity to try something and fail without spending hundreds of thousands of dollars setting something up.

And I think that's where government policy and legislation could be.

It's interesting.

I think about that with grants that people apply for, and there has to be a very specific outcome.

But what we need is funding for people to trial and fail and explore and just –

tinker around and test the boundaries of ideas and not expect everything to have a brilliant outcome.

And I think when the Americans were trying to get to the moon, there was a lot of funding for that.