Kate Hulett

It was not a job because everyone said that's not a job.

What we do for a job.

Yeah, that's the problem.

We don't value it like in Europe where it's like, wow, you're an artist.

You know, in France you have a special visa for artists whereas here it's like you're an artist and you're like, well, but what do you do?

What do you think our desires are now in terms of community?

Back to your original question, when I was working in Fremantle and I thought I can't imagine living anywhere else because you walk around and I wave to the neighbouring shopkeepers and I go in the cafe where everyone knew each other and the people working there and it's quite unique in WA to have that feeling.

Country towns have it but, you know, Fremantle's quite unique like that.

Most of the businesses are independently locally owned.

So then they all feel different and they've got love in them and, you know, all the stuff that we seek.

And I think it's until you experience that, that you realize you don't have it.

So where I grew up in the Northern suburbs, like most of Western Australia, it's a dense suburb.

And then there's a shopping center with a Kmart and a Big W and a Hungry Jack's.

And so, you know, when I was little, Thursday night we'd go there after school and hope to pass the cute boy at school and not say a word but just know that they're also at the same shopping centre as you and that was the community.

And I think particularly when I think because, you know, my mum, we were right on the edge of the sprawl and they come over from the UK.

My dad was starting a business so he was there all the time.

She had a tiny baby.

in literally sand dunes.

She didn't give birth in the sand dunes.

I mean, the houses.