Katherine Boyle

And I think the best example of the war on suffering is what hasn't happened fully in the US, but it's happening in the UK.

It already happened in Canada, which is if you now suffer from mental illness, you have the right to die.

If you're over 18, you are welcome to go to a doctor who will sign off of it, and you can end your life.

Yeah, and that was not the America we lived in before.

So the question is, why are we so opposed to suffering?

And I get a lot of pushback from people on this.

Well, why are you pro-suffering?

And I'm practicing Catholic.

The entire story of Catholicism is about Jesus' suffering.

for something noble, for something good for us, right?

But it is a story of suffering.

And the movement to try to pull the story of suffering out of human life, that's removing human nature.

That's removing the entire Christian story out of how we live and saying, you are not expected to suffer, which what happens then?

You have an entire generation of young people who are no longer resilient.

So I think one of the biggest lies is this.

Oh, 100%.

Yeah.

Totally.

Which is why I do think like a lot of these young people, the reason they go to Silicon Valley and they sleep on the factory floor and they work hard and they're building hard things is because they know that suffering is inherently, like there is something good about suffering for a purpose greater than yourself.

But I do think that people are confused about how to find that.