Katherine Boyle

Like, how do you find that outside of a society that tells you you don't need to get married, you don't need to have kids, you don't need to serve your country, you don't need to do something greater than yourself for your community, you don't need to be a pillar of the community anymore, you can move wherever you want, just total freedom.

And I think without those guardrails or those guides or people who can help you navigate life, like, people just get lost.

Yeah, we did.

Well, I won't volunteer our mutual friend, but I'd like to see him on the show as we talked about in the car.

But Elon, I think I'd love to see you chat with Elon.

I think he's, you know, we didn't get a chance to talk about Doge, but I think he's learned a lot about government.

And I haven't heard him do a long-form interview of kind of what it's like to try to reform government.

I think that'd be really an interesting story.

I do, but for different reasons than most people.

I think it worked as a cultural, I think it changed the culture in Washington, but also across the country, where Twitter was sort of the early experiment in doging.

And he proved you can cut 75% of people,

And then he went to government, and he dozed different departments.

And there was a lot of, I think, backlash, but I think it made people realize we don't need as many people.

We can work harder.

We need to be more fiscally responsible.

We need to be able to understand where the money is going.

I think a lot of people woke up and realized we're spending

ridiculous amounts of money on things we don't need.

And I do think that that sort of cultural change is going to permeate all industries, all places.

I mean, it's happening in the Army now.