Katherine Boyle

Like, the Army dozed itself with the Army Transformation Initiative.

So General George and Secretary Driscoll came out and they said, like, we're not going to wait for Doge to come to us.

We want to cut our budget by 8%.

We want to get all of these old products we don't need anymore, all these defense things that we don't need.

They call it the Humvee.

They say, why do we have Humvees in production that were built for pre-desert storm that we haven't used in 20 years?

Why do we need that?

There's another vehicle that we could actually use that's built for modern warfare.

And so they've been very forthright about, we want to doze ourselves.

So I think it's caused this sort of cultural change.

Yeah, I would have liked to see the Doge cuts codified.

It still could happen, right?

Like it could happen in a separate bill, but then there's still tremendous young people, we know a lot of them, who are working in Doge and doing important work and modernizing the systems.

So I'm hopeful that at least that entity will stay.

But I think as a cultural movement, I mean, it's certainly changed how companies think about how many people they need.

I also think AI is going to change how many people people think they need, right?

Like there's other factors that are going to impact that.

But I think it will prove to have been successful.

One more person.

I'm trying to think which founder you should have on.