Katherine Boyle

But even counting immigrant and Islamic population in Europe, they're still at, you know, countries, I think Italy's 1.2.

I think France is 1.5.

Everyone always looks at the Nordic nations as sort of the beacon of how we should be doing policy in the U.S.

because they pay for free health care for mothers.

You know, they pray for free IVF, different things that, you know, that people say we should experiment with.

their population decline is worse than ours.

They're at 1.2, 1.3, 1.5.

And so I think this, what's fascinating to me about this is that this isn't a country-specific problem or a cultural-specific problem.

It's really all industrialized nations.

And, you know, there's probably healthcare reasons for it.

Yeah, yeah.

Sperm counts are down, you know, the sort of fertile window for women again cut in half.

It's, yeah, so there's something about the medical side of this and the health side of this that's also happening.

But you can't ignore the memes and sort of the cultural destruction that happened since the 1970s, in my opinion, which is

family bad, individual good.

You shouldn't have to sacrifice yourself for the needs of your family.

And the minute that people across the Western world started believing in sort of this individualism, that's where you see just the family completely destroyed.

And just fewer and fewer families means fewer and fewer children.

And we're finally waking up to the consequences of that, which is a society that can't grow its GDP.

I mean, the economist version of this is it's a society that can't grow its GDP and that can't remain successful.