Katherine Boyle

But I think the human part of this is it's a dying society.

It's a frail society.

I mean, I think you have to change the culture.

I think you cannot change a spiritual and a cultural problem with economic policies.

So the sort of easy answers that a lot of economists and sort of people who study this say is, OK, well, we need to make health care free, make birth free, make women feel that they have more benefits, maybe pay women to do work, pay them to stay at home.

And, you know, some of those ideas, like, you know, I could say our health care system is expensive.

It is expensive to have a baby in America.

So making that cheaper on the margins, you know, might affect a mother who says, OK, I have two children.

Maybe I want to have a third.

But I actually think the bigger problem is cultural and spiritual.

Yeah.

It's, yeah, the hardest job in the world.

Totally.

A lot of the research, it's always fascinating to me, the things you can't talk about.

We can talk about the problem, but there's certain things we can't talk about that add to it.

And you'll see economics is always a thing people want to talk about because it's like, oh, if we could just fix it with an economic policy.

But no one ever talks about what you said, which is that feminism did change the memes and the culture.

But at the same time, no one talks about when you introduce birth control into a society until women, you can control your own destiny.

That is a huge part of it.

All of these declines in the industrial world started at the exact same time that the pill was introduced.