Katherine Boyle

So, you know, we're not going to go back to a world that is pre-pill.

Like, that's just never going to happen across, you know, both Western society and the industrial world.

But I think you actually have to acknowledge all the factors.

And the fact that a lot of the people doing this research won't even acknowledge, oh, something magical changed in the 60s and the 70s related to health care, related to how, you know, abortion was made legal in 1973, other nations followed.

When you look at those as inputs into the story as well, it's like there's a reason why the birth rate is so low in these countries.

And it's not just an American phenomena, it's a global phenomena.

And you have to take into account all of those things.

And I just keep coming back to the culture changed.

Like there was something about what we prized and what we made high status in America where most people, or I shouldn't say most people, but a lot of people chose to have

you know, only one to two children, whereas their grandparents' generation and their parents' generation had three and four.

And a society that changes that dramatically in one generation or two generations is unstable.

Gosh, I was a very precocious kid.

Again, my dad was much older.

I was the youngest.

And so I was really into the news.

I read a lot of books, but extremely precocious.

I loved, you know,

watching things with my parents.

I got really into movies growing up.

But I was always sort of this very inquisitive kid.