Katherine Boyle

And if anything, what it taught me is if you speak truth,

Like if you say, I'm not afraid to say I love this country and that I don't care about making money in China because I love this country.

And if you say that, people will get in line.

Like most people believe that in Silicon Valley.

They just never heard it before.

I mean, in some ways, it shows the power of memes because it really only takes one Joe, one Mark, one of these guys, right?

One Shyam, one Palmer to stand up and say the hard thing.

And if you say it enough, like Palmer had been saying since 2017, the CCP is our enemy.

The CCP is our enemy.

We should not be supporting anything to do with China.

We should not be supporting them.

We should not be investing there.

In some ways, it wears people down if people hear the meme long enough.

In some ways, I feel like the meme of American dynamism is even more powerful than the investing practice.

It's not just an investing practice.

It's a true philosophy.

that if we are going to build hard things in this country and go back to an era of the moon landing and the Manhattan Project, we have to be clear about what we are investing in, and we are investing in American interest.

So it's a funny story.

I'd say there were a handful of people, I think, during COVID who kind of saw the craziness that was happening in Silicon Valley, kind of saw the craziness of the culture war.

This has been reported before, but Mark's very big on the group chats.