Katherine Boyle

So I met him through, actually, this is very funny.

I met him through, there was an app in COVID called Clubhouse.

where it was sort of like a- I remember Clubhouse.

Yeah, sort of like Twitter spaces.

But I was very bored.

I was also pregnant with my first child.

I was kind of locked up in my house.

And I always joke, my husband was like, after the first month of COVID, it was great that you had Clubhouse because you could talk to other people.

You could stop annoying me.

So I was like, you know, I was like, you know.

up at the middle of the night talking on Clubhouse.

And of course there were a handful of people there and Mark was one of them.

So I got to know Mark through Clubhouse and through a lot of these, I'd say these kind of chats of people who I think were really interested in these ideas of where is Silicon Valley going?

What does it mean?

Again, like this was sort of the height of the culture war.

And I do think it was forbidden.

It was like people were getting left and right kicked off of Twitter.

And so there were sort of these underground

It's kind of funny to say now because all of the things that were being said are being said publicly now.

It's not like there were some crazy conversations happening, but it really was sort of this.