Katherine Boyle

It's like, you wanna just gut other countries.

and you want to take their talent so that they can't operate.

I think the problem is, is that it's so widespread and everyone, there's no way to defend against it that these large companies, particularly the Apples of the world, you know, Google, I mean, it's like, there are just repeat cases consistently of people stealing intellectual property and just the security around these important things just not,

no one's paying attention to it.

And I think that the bigger problem is, whenever I go to DC, there was a really good quote that DC people would say, which is like, when we look at China and Washington, we think China is our adversary.

When Silicon Valley looks at China, they think China is my customer.

Until very recently, that was true.

It was very true that every company wanted to go into China.

They wanted to sell around the world.

It was this global phenomena.

China can help me.

I can learn a lot from China.

I can manufacture in China.

I can potentially sell to China, even though China doesn't like American companies.

I think in some ways that was, again, a Pollyannaish view.

It was a

Stupid view because China was protecting its own, but it is only recently that Silicon Valley at all looks at China as a potential threat or adversary.

I mean, again, two years ago, American venture capital firms were investing in China and they were investing in AI companies in China.

There are still American venture capital firms that are investing in Chinese AI companies.

And that's legal.