Kathryn VanArendonk

It is such a delight to be here.

Thank you so much for having me.

I am not.

And I do think it's there are interesting reasons why that might be.

They have I actually think they have quite a lot of common threads that are that are appealing.

There are things about For All Mankind where if it's like if that's the thing that you're into about it, it makes total sense to me that you would also like Outlander.

But those are not the obvious marketable things about either of those shows.

Yes.

And they're for sure like one is dude coded and one is lady coded.

And so I also think they are both by virtue of marketing and by a lot of sort of genre assumptions, um,

Almost trying to keep people out of our Venn diagram where more people belong to be.

That man loves a time jump.

Yeah.

And also, like—

Yeah, I mean...

They also come from different source places.

So Outlander has these wild—have you read the books?

I have not, no.

Okay, the books are fully unhinged.

I mean, they are as unhinged as the show is.