Kathy Kay

What kind of rituals do you suggest?

Right.

Mm hmm.

That's a big one.

Right.

But how do you work it when like one partner saying that and maybe the other person still closed off?

Right.

So you see couples together.

So basically they would be willing, both of them, if they're coming together, right?

Which they need to be.

So it would be not trying to engage in conversation with them or not sort of trying to talk, is what you're saying?

Right.

And I mean, isn't, because like, I don't see divorce as like, oh my God, the most biggest failure thing on the planet.

I don't think everyone needs to be with somebody for their whole fucking life.

Like sometimes it's,

It happens that one person does better themselves and one person does want to better the relationship and the other person is not interested or stuck and just not evolving at the same pace.

And so sometimes it does lead to maybe the end of things, but that's okay too.

And maybe that's what needed to happen, right?

I don't know.

I know, isn't it sad?