Katie Drummond

But how do you actually get ready for those interviews?

I mean, this was your third time doing the Oscars red carpet, which is, and I've been a journalist for a very long time, intimidating environment.

How do you prep?

How do you think about your role on that red carpet?

And I'm curious about this in the context of the work that you do overall.

This sort of creator journalism, I don't know if it's a debate.

There's a distinction there that I think is becoming blurrier and blurrier.

I don't have strongly held views about it.

I mean, I talk to the Wired staff all the time, and I hope they don't mind me saying this on the podcast, but that they are so much more now talent than they used to be, and that they need to be on camera.

They need to be behind a microphone.

They need to be...

Making that direct connection with their audience.

Right.

And sort of really taking like the quote unquote creator playbook and taking that seriously and not being dismissive of that.

But for you, when you're on the red carpet or you're sitting down in a chicken shop, whatever it is, how do you like self-identify?

It's interesting because you you certainly I mean, you bring the like the academic training of a journalist.

And certainly the obsessive need to prepare or over prepare before an assignment.

You know what I mean?

But yeah, I mean, I like I would say for this podcast, our producer had to like beat out of me the idea that I needed to spend like an entire Friday researching someone before I interview them.

And she was like, you don't have time.