Katie Porter

And so they keep not responding, but I'm really coming in in a place of wanting to understand it.

So look, I think some of that is NIMBYism.

And I would just say to those on the stage who don't think there's very much NIMBYism,

I invite you to visit Huntington Beach for yourself because I used to represent Huntington Beach.

And a lot of those cities in Orange County, as you know, are very anti-housing.

Now, Irvine, interestingly, is not one of them.

They are still building.

We are adding people from when you live there to when I live there.

The population has doubled or tripled.

And that is because they control enough of the factors that they don't get gobsmacked with all of these additive things.

And so there is something to having that kind of like bigger reach around all of the factors.

But let me give you another example of where this doesn't work.

And this is where I thought you were going with California Forever, which is Tohono Ranch.

Now, this is a really interesting, are you familiar?

This is a really interesting example.

This was like one of the largest, I think it's still today, the largest contiguous private landholding in California.

Pretty, pretty amazing.

And it's outside of Los Angeles.

They have been trying to develop, and I went and I visited and I saw it, they have been trying to develop housing there, workforce priced housing for 30 some years.

And they own the land.