Katie Porter

There's not anybody to permit them, right?

They just keep getting sued.

They got sued on CEQA.

They resolved 29 of the 33 objections.

And then they went to court.

And they lost on one of them.

And do you know what happened?

back to zero on all 33 objections.

So yes, there's something to sort of saying you can get your arms around it, but we have to do a lot of other tools.

One thing I do think about master planning is that it can be a way to deal with some of that impact fees because Irvine, as you know, in any given strip mall in Irvine,

If you're standing there and you've just walked into one store and you walk out and you think, shoot, I need to go get that other thing.

Irvine Company, big brother, will have put that thing across the parking lot in the strip mall.

It's like actually scary.

And it's not for everybody.

It is really not for everybody.

But I think the fact that I live in and I'm raising my family in a very different model of housing and living in a place like Orange County, which has got everything from the worst NIMBY in the state

to some of the fastest growing pro-housing cities in the state is a really good perspective as governor.

I mean, I said the other day to someone, you know, well, they're like, well, you're not really from like a big thing in California, like, you know, some people.

And I said, well, Orange County is the sixth most populous county.

And they said, in California?