Katie Porter

No, in the United States, people.

San Diego County is the fifth most populous county in the United States, and they're making some progress on housing there.

So yes, you're absolutely right.

I think there are limits to what you can expect from master planning, but I do think innovation in housing is important.

And at its core, if you take them at their word,

which is where I would start, might not be where I'd end, but it's where I'd start the conversation with California Forever.

What they're saying is, let us innovate.

Let us show people what a different model of living and working and recreating can look like.

And I think we need imagination about what housing could be so that we're not just fighting about

40-story apartment buildings and single family.

There are so many other permutations of housing.

Long-term leases, which is something Europe has that we don't have, that I campaigned on this in my Senate race.

I'm campaigning on it now.

We need more housing innovation.

And at its heart, that's what I think some of these projects offer.

So a lot of my career, all of my career before I ran for office was about this exact question, studying families who fell into bankruptcy or were facing eviction or foreclosure.

That was my life's work.

That's how I got to know Elizabeth Warren, studying these families, talking to them, researching them.

And it's the things you mentioned, job loss, income loss, it's medical debt or sickness that leads to the loss of income, it's family breakup, change in the family structure.

These are the same drivers of bankruptcy that are the drivers of foreclosure and eviction.