Katty Kay

We're going to talk about Vance and Rubio in a minute, but this is being put on Witkoff and Jared.

So I don't know whether Vance has pulled himself out of this because he doesn't think there's a deal to be made and because this is a farce of a deal.

I think there is a potential.

I was speaking to Mike McCaul, the former ambassador to Russia, who's kind of plugged in on all of this this morning.

And he said, listen, he thinks there's going to be so much pushback against this because however much Fox News tries to paint this as a win, it is so clearly not a win for the United States that he wouldn't be surprised if we wake up tomorrow morning and Trump says, actually, that's off the table because it's a laughable idea that this could possibly be painted as victory after everything America's put into this.

Before we get to that, can I just say one thing?

The markets are going to try and make money out of this.

And so they're loving the volatility of the past, whatever it is, eight weeks that this has been going on, right?

Every time there's a spike in oil prices or every time there's a drop, we're seeing that kind of volatility.

But the other thing is that do you really believe that?

that let's say this is a, he'll frame this as we're gonna get the straights open and we're gonna deal with all of those other complicated things later on.

And there's an argument.

I've heard diplomats say they were crazy to go to Islamabad and try and put everything on the table and deal with everything in the space of a one-day meeting.

You just can't do that.

It's far too complicated.

So actually it's better to deal with the urgent thing first, which is the straight, and then deal with the other stuff later.

But do you think Trump is going to have the patience and the engagement and the involvement to deal with that other stuff?

Do you really think that if he gets this and he gets what he wants, which is I'm out of there, it's done, let's go back to talking about the stuff I want to talk about, that his attention span will carry on?

I mean, that is one piece of it that needs to be reconciled.

There are so many different pieces of this that need to be reconciled.