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But it's a super hard one to do.

Kamala Harris couldn't pull it off with Joe Biden.

I'm not sure that J.D.

Vance is going to be able to distance him enough himself enough.

I think you're right.

Probably Vance and Rubio end up in the wood chipper.

But I think it's a slightly different reason.

I think it's because Trump is putting his own.

record into the wood chipper.

And if you are running as an heir to Trump, which either of these men will have to do unless they break with him spectacularly between now and 2028, which they're not going to do.

If you're running as an heir to Trump, if things are in 2028, anything like what they are today, which we don't know if there's two years to go, right?

It could be very different.

It could all be going swimmingly.

It's going to be difficult for a Republican to get elected, any Republican to get elected, but particularly one who is associated with Donald Trump.

Might do him a favor, actually.

Truth to power.

Truth to power.

Yeah, I mean, you've seen it in France, you've seen it in Italy, you've seen it in the UK, particularly around the war in Iran, where European populists who had been associating themselves with Donald Trump really don't like the war in Iran.

They're reading the room of their own people, and so they're distancing themselves.

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