Katty Kay

They've looked at this and they've shown that more non-MAGA voters would never vote for Vance than would never vote for Rubio.

So Rubio's star in Washington, D.C., a little bit quietly on the rise as he flies off to meet the pope.

That's going to be a fun trip for him because Donald Trump again trashed the pope this week.

What do you think?

I know what you think.

You think they're both in the wood chipper, and I think you might be right, but I think so for different reasons.

Okay.

80 million Catholic voters in the country.

Can I say one other thing, though, that Vance said about the Pope?

Please.

Which is that the Pope should think carefully when he talks about theology.

This is like the new convert to Catholicism is telling the Pope to think carefully about theology.

The only thing is Vance was in Iowa, Iowa, no coincidence this week.

He sounds like he has a little bit of a Kamala Harris problem because he's out in Iowa telling these good Midwesterners, it's all going great.

Donald Trump's the greatest president ever.

But there is more work to be done.

The moment he says, but there's more work to be done.

That is the Kamala Harris problem that he doesn't know how he's got.

He's the conundrum of all vice presidents.

And it's particularly difficult with this president because he doesn't want a single iota of disloyalty.