Katty Kay

I mean, I've never heard so much discussion, Anthony, of a state Senate primary race in American politics, but it was a test of Donald Trump's pulling power

in the Republican Party.

And the message to Republicans is only defy Donald Trump when you can keep your political career, if you want to have a long life in politics.

Because if you want a long life in politics and you defy Donald Trump right now, you are going to be voted out in a primary.

Who never went away.

He was always there.

OK, so here's the problem for I think Republicans came out of or MAGA came out of last night in Indiana, thought that was a great night for Donald Trump.

Woo woo.

This is great for MAGA.

But here's the problem.

The GOP base is still as tied to Donald Trump as it ever was.

People who bother to go out, I mean, honestly, people who bother to go out and vote in a state Senate primary are pretty dedicated voters.

They are on the more extreme wing of the party.

So that's the base, you saw it right there, the MAGA base.

If you want to know how many there are, if you want to know who they are, you needed to be in Indiana on Tuesday.

The geobase is still as tied to Donald Trump as it ever was.

But all of the polls that we've spoken about over the last few weeks have shown us that the rest of the country is moving away from Donald Trump as fast as it can.

So is Ron DeSantis in that scenario the candidate who can square the circle?

Can he stay close to Trump enough?

to win the presidential nomination in 2028, but also persuade a general electorate that there is daylight between him and Trump's policies.